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dodrill:
God frames evil - I always think about this - I know freewill is phantom - and I have been blessed to see that the good Samaritan is the chosen or elect - what I love hearing from Ray expounding on his understanding of the scripture / end time - any time is it is all ONE - a great big parable - and the way we treat humanity is the way we treat Christ - I feel without sounding political is who is the modern day Samaritan? I get socially moved - and there are many forums out there who voice - nay actually solve the problem - am I living in a parallel universe or are we so blessed now to see God's judgments in the world? When He teaches us His righteousness?

Pierdut:
Christians don't believe that God creates evil. They believe that evil just exists and God is powerless to do anything about it. He would prefer it didn't exist, but man's and "almighty" Satan's "free will" cause it to exist, and God can't go against man's "free will." So there's nothing He can do, but send most of His own creation to "hell" where the even more evil demons get to torture them for all eternity [according to Bill Weise, who's been there].

This doctrine of "free will" demeans God, and takes away His Sovereignty, and they have yet to logically [I ask too much, I know] explain how man is free to have a multitude of possibilities in the future when God already knows which way each scenario will turn out?

If mankind had a "free will" then wouldn't homosexuals be able to simply make themselves no longer be attracted to other men, and be attracted only to women? Since nothing causes us to think the thoughts we think, to do the things we do, or that we for whatever reason wish to no longer do?

I am straight and attracted only to women [very attracted to women] I can't make myself no longer be attracted to women and chose to live a life of a eunuch. I can't just make these desires go away. But if I had a "free will," then there would be nothing causing me to be attracted to women, to have these desires - I'd be a le to shut them out completely. At least for a time, to prove I have a "free will," and do what I want. Hell, maybe I'd substitute women with men, since there's nothing causing me to not do such things - I have "free will," right?

"Wrong, pale face." I Have no such thing.

There are certain things I cannot make myself do, and other things I cannot make myself not do, or no longer desire. I can't see a beautiful woman and not lust after her. I know its wrong - but I can't help it, it's automatic.

So much for " free will."

Christians never really ponder these things, their minds are incapable of such ponderings. And they continue to believe in it, and their takeaway is always: " Yeah but we make our own choices, therefore we have free will." They will never get that "free will" is not the ability to male choices, but the ability to make UNCAUSED CHOICES. Choices that aren't determined by anything. Thus a homosexual could "free will" himself into being straight, and a straight man can "free will" himself into being gay any time he wants to; there's nothing stopping either from doing so. Except that reality says otherwise.

This whole thing of "free will" and events in my life that have happened,  and even thinking about future events that have yet to happen, as one of the things that really interests me and was one of the things that got me to start thinking about God again. Could my life have been any different?  Could relationships that went horrible bad have gone otherwise, and I'd still ne with that person - maybe even have a child by now?

If there's ni God, then I can see that possibility. But if there is a God, and He knows the end from the beginning,  and He is not only Sovereign, but the very Creator of life... then how could I have already brought a child into this world? Did God not know of him or her? And if He did, then why didn't it come to pass?

Since I was born; and the only way that could have happened was if my parents got together [they were married] then how could it have been possible for them not to marry each other? God already knew me from the foundation of the world; I had to be born, and at the preappointed time. But if my parents had "free will," and life's events aren't predetermined then they could have ended up marrying other people, and I would never have been born. But if that's the case then there is no God. And my birth was just a random north completely by chance. I won the spermicidal lotto.

I apologize if that's offensive,  but isn't that what "free will" entails, and in fact even demands? 

Like I said, I'm here to talk about tbw type of things that I can't talk about with my Christian family, because it's an excercise in futility. They want their "free will" and they want it now. They can't explain how it works, and how you can still have a Sovereign God who knows the future if man has a "free will" and can make uncaused choices and future events have mutliple possibilities - even contrary to God's foreknowledge. He thinks it will go this way, but that pesty "free will" got in the way, and God wasn't quite sure how it will play out because the people in question chose to do differently then God thought they would do. Can't really ever be sure when choices have no cause which way a man or woman will choose.

God thought They Would get married, and 3 years later have a daughter named [whatever] but nope they broke up... They just decided to... no reason.  Remember,  they make uncaused choices... they have free will.

Pierdut:
Just realized how many typos I have in my previous post. I really need a computer. This auto-correct on my Android isn't helping me one bit.

Dave in Tenn:
I'm not really understanding the question.

Sometimes I feel like the Samaritan, sometimes I feel like the Pharisee, and sometimes I feel like the robbed and injured man. 

Craig:
Haley, just my opinion, but I believe the second.

Craig

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