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Apostles and Prophets - What? 1 Cor 12:28

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Joel:
Ephesians 2:19-22
19-Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20-And we are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21-In whom all the building fitly framed together growth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22-In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The only apostles I recognize are those that Jesus Christ personally taught, and of course that includes Paul. The only prophets are; Samuel, Nehemiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and so on. (foundational prophets)
There have been some that God used to  prophesy as in Acts 27-28. They don't have the same type of office as the old covenant prophets.

Yes there are many in Christendom today claiming this and that, but that house is not built correctly and if it isn't falling now, it no doubt will fall some time in the near future.


Joel

microlink:
Thanks for your thoughts:

Regarding APOSTLES
Yes 12 Apostles and of course Paul. Good points Gerry referencing Rev.21:14 and your comments as well as that of Joel. There are no Apostles today and anyone foolish enough to claim being one is on dangerous ground with God.

Regarding PROPHETS
Even though there were Prophets in the OT, we find reference to some in the NT. So they were identified as such in the early NT Church. i.e.Agabus, Anna and the daughters of Philip the evangelist.

Apsotles and Prophets can certainly be called teachers.  Ray was a teacher and an Evangelist.

What about EVANGELISTS?
An evangelist is (Strongs2099) a preacher of the gospel. Concordant says Well-Messenger - how appropriate.

Act 21:8  And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
Act 21:9  And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Act 21:10  And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

2Ti 4:5  But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Luk_2:36  And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Much to learn and we here love learning as well as loving the true gospel!

Dave in Tenn:
Even Ray calling himself a "teacher" is not claiming a religious office.  I wouldn't be able to find it, but he defined "teacher" as being someone who teaches...that's it.  Perhaps even saying something like "Phillip the evangelist" has/had significantly less connotation of an "office" than it has come to mean.  In other words, being an evangelist is more something you DO, than something you ARE.

The gist of that passage in chapter 12 isn't (to my mind) setting up a hierarchy or list of church positions, but simply recognizing that there are people who do these things, all different and all working for each other.  Of course, all this culminates in the greatest gift of all which will last after at least some of these things pass away.

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