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made of one blood all nations of men?
Kat:
Concerning this verse.
Gen 3:20 The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called her Eve... maybe because God brought her to him in the Evening. Just a thought.
Now the next part, "because she was the mother of all living." Who was making this comment, Adam or the writer of this book, Moses, many years later? If Moses then this was just in keeping with the comments that were made in many other places.
Gen 7:15 They went into the ark with Noah, two and two of all flesh in which there was the breath of life.
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind.
The word "all" in these verses is not speaking of all there was on earth, as Ray's studies shows us about the waters of the flood. It seems to be speaking only about those people God is directly working with.
Just some observations i wanted to mention.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dennis Vogel:
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Who are the dead and who are the living?
Joel:
God held no one accountable for sin before Adam, and Eve. ( no law ) Romans 5:13.
The scriptures show that Adam was the first man that God would deal with on a spiritual level. Romans 5 is a good study.
Paul called men he had dealings with in Ephesus ( beast ) 1st Corinthians 15:32
The serpent told Eve ( Ye shall not surely die: ) So from the time Adam and Eve broke God's commandment they started full blown sin with all the lies and deceptions. (DEATH)
Good point Dennis; " let the dead bury the dead. "
Did they die in that day, as in a sun up to sun down 24 hour period of time? no.
Did they die in "one day with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 peter 3:8. yes they did, Adam died at 930 yrs. Physically speaking the life is in the blood, but we must be born again of the Spirit in order to have real life.
Joel
loretta:
--- Quote ---God held no one accountable for sin before Adam, and Eve. ( no law ) Romans 5:13.
--- End quote ---
Interesting Joel, So, Genesis 2:17 was the first law of God that Adam transgressed? But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. I didn't see that before, I always thought that the law came by Moses.
--- Quote ---Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Who are the dead and who are the living?
--- End quote ---
This was one scripture that perplexed me for years, till one day, sitting in the catholic church at a family funeral, the light came on. Here where I live, funerals are social events, with attendance upwards of 200 depending on the social standing of the deceased, with packed cathedrals, an entourage of clergy and people bedecked in funeral finery. The officiating priest was extolling the virtues of the deceased, praising her good works, especially her financial contributions to the church. And I thought, why doesn’t he preach the gospel to this lost and dying crowd. Then I understood what Jesus meant when he said, let the dead bury their dead. All those folk, were spiritually dead come to bury their physically dead.
Ofcourse, now I know that they are not lost, and that we are all dying! Yet, as called out and chosen ones, we are not to be spiritually or temporally yoked to those who are spiritually dead, whose spirits are not awakened to kinship with God. Under the law, the priests were not permitted to attend burials and were considered unclean if they did come in contact with a corpse. For the same reason why menstruating women were not allowed into the tabernacle until they were cleansed because menstrual blood represented death or lack of life (the shedding of the unfertilized egg). The priests, as mediators of the old covenant were also not allowed to cut themselves or carry any sign of death or mourning on their person. Likewise I beleive that as priests under the new covenant, we have to be separate from anything that is spiritually dead (the unregenerate) or has the potential to bring death to our spirits (rituals, traditions). For this reason, apart from an occasional wedding or funeral, I do not attend any religious ceremonies - child baptisms, first communions, confirmation, novenas, festas and we have plenty of them in my local community.
microlink:
Were there men (humans) before the creation of Adam and Eve?
We know there were beings (creatures) that had man like features long before the creation of Adam and Eve.
Science tells us of beings like the Cro-Magnon, Neanderthal, Peking man, etc. This would be many thousands of millennia before the creation of man and would become extinct. Science and scripture do not conflict as Ray pointed out.
But they certainly were not "human in that they did not have the "spirit in man".
So the question is: were there men before Adam and Eve? Ray suggested that there were and that may be so.
Eve is called the mother of all living (concordant says :" for she becomes the mother of all the living". If this refers to men who had the spirit of man in them, then how could there be men (humans) before Eve gave birth to children?
Cain was her firstborn and Able came later. In Gen 4:3 we find that some period of time elapsed before Cane slew Able. In that period, however long it may have been (Youngs says " And it cometh to pass at the end of days "), many more children could have been born and were inhabiting the earth after the first two born of Eve. After all it does take a length of time for resentment to build to the point of hatred that Cain felt. Perhaps years and years. That could be why Cain said in Gen 4:14 after he killed Able - ... every one that finds me shall slay me.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, are Gen 1:26 and Gen 2:7 speaking of the same event?
I am of the opinion that in Gen 1:26-27 God created (is creating as Ray explains from the original Hebrew) man in His image is referring to Adam and his progeny.
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