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zvezda:
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--- Quote from: cjwood on September 04, 2013, 05:15:11 PM ---i am thinking, may God's will be done.
claudia
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Bahaha. Im with claudia.
I'd hardly consider this the elephant in the room rumors of wars and wars have been happebing since the dawn of time. There is nothing new under the son. The Lord will have His way.
Alex
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Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
If you place the emphasis on the hearing it gets contemporary.
120 years ago it took months for news from Europe to reach the USA. Now it's instant.
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It's interesting that the word "rumors" in Greek (akoas) also means "hearing"...
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 04, 2013, 07:50:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on September 04, 2013, 05:57:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: cjwood on September 04, 2013, 05:15:11 PM ---i am thinking, may God's will be done.
claudia
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Bahaha. Im with claudia.
I'd hardly consider this the elephant in the room rumors of wars and wars have been happebing since the dawn of time. There is nothing new under the son. The Lord will have His way.
Alex
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Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
If you place the emphasis on the hearing it gets contemporary.
120 years ago it took months for news from Europe to reach the USA. Now it's instant.
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Excellent Point Dennis! I hadn't thought of it in that sense. We do get word of wars and rumours of wars at an exponentially accelerated rate now a days.
I still maintain, these things are nothing new, well... other than the hearing them more quickly part, that is! ;) :D :D
acomplishedartis:
Today a relative was telling me how worry and sad she was about this happenings, I listen for a while and since I didn't wanted to get deep into the subject since I had to go in ten minutes, she thought I was judging her as naive or something like that. So now I had to explain myself in 7min. to avoid being misunderstood. This where my points on what I said:
-This happenings also make me sad, but not surprised, people and governments have been making weak things because they have a weak heart from the beginning of times, the thing is just that in certain times of history there is more time and opportunity for certain evils to be manifested.
- News from other far away places sometimes magnify, either the good ones or the bad ones. I am not saying it can't be as bad as the journalist inform us, but truth is that big generalizations and simplifications are prone to happen. Plus, people tent to have very different resistance to suffering and very different 'life perceptions'.
- I said that I have two choices: One, to believe that everything is chaotic, that God can't do anything about it, that He is really not in control and that all the suffering of people is for no worth purpose. Or:
That God is in control, and he desire, want, and is able to bring a worth outcome in due time for all the suffering that is happening on this very short life of us. That all evil is very little in God sight in comparison with all the good that is waiting for Everybody. I said that I have this hope, and that this is why I see this situations with such a different context from the majority.
I am sure she still believes more what the pastor says than what I say, but hopefully at least she no longer thought that I was judging her, or not caring...
ps. For the ones that doesn't know me; I wasn't talking with my wife, since I am not married-yet...
Dave in Tenn:
It's puzzled me for a long time how one can read this verse and think that any war or the rumour of any war is a sign of the end. And not just wars, but:
Mat 24:6 But you are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See, do not be terrified. For all things must take place, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will be raised against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes against many places.
Mat 24:8 But all these are a beginning of throes.
Wars, rumours of wars, famines, plagues, earthquakes: These things must take place (Dave's paraphrase: These things are par for the course). They are not the end, the hearing of them is not the end. They are instead the "beginning" of sorrows, and have been for generations. Keep reading and you'll see what Scripture says about what happens before the end. And as Ray taught, that TOO has been happening for generations. Was, is, and will be.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---I still maintain, these things are nothing new
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The scripture does not say anything about new wars, etc. There have always been wars and rumors of wars.
Until recently people only knew about wars in their own backyard and never heard about a war on the other side of the planet.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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