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ray's final (posted) email response
Deborah-Leigh:
Death is Not THE END.
Death is AN end, of INFINITE ENDINGS.
Ray's "end" is not The end for RAY in our love for Ray....unless we want to keep Ray dead. :(
OUR time, is not the only time. Ray can not, shall not and may not at any time, return as he WAS. THAT would reverse the making of God in HIS image that Ray is, was and ever shall be.
The notes Ray left Re A comforting note on death, is a indicator of Truth pointing beyond the human concept of time and death.
The Kingdom of God IS within. That is where to find Ray!
indianabob:
Arcturus & Kat,
God is NOT a person! I agree.
So then is the Lord Jesus yet a person (a man) and a perfect reflection of God?
And will the elect individuals be persons (men/women) who have been made a perfect reflection of God?
And stand with Lord Jesus as members of the body of Christ; a perfect reflection of God?
OR will the Lord Jesus and all of his brethren be on earth the supreme personage?
A little speculation: 8) And thus you shall be with the Lord Jesus for the age. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, John 12:26; 2 Corinthians 12:4
--- Quote from: Arcturus on October 08, 2013, 01:36:08 PM ---
Ray points out:
"And he [John]
shall go before Him in the SPIRIT AND POWER OF Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the
disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke 1:17).
In the SPIRIT AND POWER OF.....is not the flesh and blood OF Elias, and also not Elias's spirit and power but, THAT Spirit and Power GIVEN to BE AS Elias that is the ONE and ONLY Spirit and Power THAT IS GOD.
God is not a person. Ray made that point in the latter writings that open up an entirely new horizon to what is entirely possible for God.
Arc
--- End quote ---
John from Kentucky:
A basic Truth of the Scriptures is that there is only One God.
Jesus (through Paul) teaches us in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that there is One God consisting of the Father of Whom are all things and Jesus by Whom are all things.
In the great Scripture of Colossians 1:15, we learn Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. The Father is invisible and outside our physical senses. Jesus is visible and can be seen by us. Together they are One God.
As Jesus tells us, for those who will believe Him, I and Father are One. (Note: an interesting topic for meditation is that Jesus is placed first in that statement before the Father. Nothing is in the Scriptures by accident.)
We worship a marvelous God. He can chew gum and skip rope at the same time. ;D
Kat:
Hi Bob,
--- Quote ---God is NOT a person! I agree.
So then is the Lord Jesus yet a person (a man) and a perfect reflection of God?
--- End quote ---
So we understand that the Father is not a person/man... but I feel we cannot even really comprehend exactly what the Father is, considering "heaven of heavens cannot contain Him" (1Kings 8:27). It was the Father who determined to have this creation and bring into existence all these beings (physical and spirits) into it. As the Father has no form or voice (John 5:37), so first He brought forth a Son (John 16:28) that He gives these attributes to, as the God/Lord over it all.
I believe the Son is like as extended part of the Father, not the wholeness of the Father, but what the Father needed to have for this creation... a Son given the same form and shape that would be given to all the created beings, a God we can see and hear, that we could relate to.
Even in His glorious form the Son is in the shape of a man, both in the OT and NT.
Dan 7:9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
Exo 24:9 Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
v. 10 and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity.
Dan 10:6 His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had[5] a name written that no one knew except Himself.
Rev 2:18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,
"These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:
--- Quote ---And will the elect individuals be persons (men/women) who have been made a perfect reflection of God?
And stand with Lord Jesus as members of the body of Christ; a perfect reflection of God?
--- End quote ---
Paul tells us at the return of Christ the elect will be "changed" from mortal flesh and blood to immortal spirit beings.
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--
v. 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
v. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The elect will retain their individually, but will obtain their completion/perfection/incorruptibility to rule with Christ. He will have all these glorious spirit being serving under Him, as is represented symbolically as they having thrones.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
It says in Isaiah that those people under going judgment will actually see the elect/teachers.
Isa 30:20 And though the Lord gives you
The bread of adversity and the water of affliction,
Yet your teachers will not be moved into a corner anymore,
But your eyes shall see your teachers.
I hope this is of help to you Bob.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
microlink:
An additional scripture:
Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The word IMAGE from Strong's G5481 a graver(the tool or the person),i.e. (by impl.) engraving the figure stamped, i.e. an exact copy or [fig.] representation): - express image.
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