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Joel:
A couple of scriptures that are pretty matter- of- fact along these lines are;

Proverbs16:9-A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

Pslam 37:23-The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.


Joel

loretta:

--- Quote from: cjwood on October 15, 2013, 09:48:03 AM ---
loretta, with regards to ray's referencing God's honoring the prayers and generosity, i believe he was speaking of the forum members who continued to contribute financially to him personally, and to the bible-truths website.  that is what he meant by "generosity".
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Tks Claudia, that does make sense.  I suppose Ray meant that although God does not change his stated will, he does acknowledge (honor) our prayers and purposes of heart.

Dave in Tenn:
I'm not going to argue over words.  It came as no surprise to God that Pharaoh would not let His children go.  Even when Pharaoh WANTED to do so, the Lord hardened his heart.  Thankfully, for Pharaoh, that is not his "destination".  Peter denied that he would deny the Lord when the Lord informed him that he would.  He did deny the Lord.  But he didn't deny the Lord later.  If the Lord's "prophecy" that he would deny Him is not "predestination", or a revelation of a thing "predestined", then I don't know what it means.  NOTHING that happens is outside the purpose of God.

thewatchman:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 16, 2013, 08:05:29 AM ---I'm not going to argue over words.  It came as no surprise to God that Pharaoh would not let His children go.  Even when Pharaoh WANTED to do so, the Lord hardened his heart.  Thankfully, for Pharaoh, that is not his "destination".  Peter denied that he would deny the Lord when the Lord informed him that he would.  He did deny the Lord.  But he didn't deny the Lord later.  If the Lord's "prophecy" that he would deny Him is not "predestination", or a revelation of a thing "predestined", then I don't know what it means.  NOTHING that happens is outside the purpose of God.

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Dave,
We clearly have different ideas on what predestination means. Because I never mentioned anything that you pointed out. I'm talking the final destination God made available to man and you seem to be talking about prophecy which seems to point towards actions predetermined by God while they live. That is not what the original scriptures we are talking about means.

Rom 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This is clearly talking about something else than you are, but I do see the point you are trying to make. Our steps are ordered of the Lord.

To bring it back to the original post though, even though we are going through what God has ordained, we still need to pray, still need to study? Why? Because we're not there yet. We still have further to run. Our participation is necessary.

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