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Politics ?voting
« on: October 17, 2013, 06:59:59 PM »

I've been very interested in politics for some  time now but since reading the lake of fire series politics have taking on a different meaning to me knowing that man does not direct his own footsteps.

I find myself loosing interest in this area after understanding God is in full control and there is no such thing as free will or choice. Yes its true I'm in the world but not apart of the world and lately I been wondering why do I vote? Does not the word of God say that Satan offered the kingdoms of the world to Jesus.

So what devil should I vote for? Answer none of them. After reading the lake of fire series D 2 Hell /Tophet and molech in Himmon I come across this by Ray


 (The Bohemian Club (founded in  1872  ) is a private men's art  club  based in  San Francisco  ,  California  , with a membership of many prominent local and global leaders. Some prominent figures are given honorary membership only,  Richard Nixon  and  William Randolph Hearst   being two notable examples.

Members include some   U.S. presidents  (usually before they are elected to office), many  cabinet  officials, and CEOs of large corporations, including major financial institutions. Major  military contractors  , oil companies, banks (including the  Federal Reserve  ), utilities, and national media have high-ranking officials as club members or guests

Every year the club hosts an annual two week camp at   Bohemian Grove  , which is notable for its illustrious guest list and its eclectic  Cremation of Care   ceremony involving a mock human sacrifice at the feet of a forty-foot stone owl.

The primary activities taking place at the Grove are varied and expensive entertainment, such as an elaborate Grove Play (known as "High Jinx") and musical comedies ("Low Jinx") � where female roles are played by men in drag � produced by the members and associate members of the Club. Thus, the majority of common facilities are entertainment venues, interspersed among the giant redwoods

The ceremony takes place next to a 45-foot (15 m) high   concrete  owl statue. During the ceremony, audio plays through nearby speakers providing the illusion of a speaking statue. The voice of the former-newsman  Walter Cronkite  , a member of the Bohemian Club, is used as the voice of The Owl during the ceremony.
 
President Richard Nixon: "The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time � the (inaudible) and the others come there � but it is the most faggy g - - d - - - thing that you would ever imagine. The San Francisco crowd, it's just terrible. I can't even shake hands with anybody from San Francisco." � President  Richard M. Nixon  , Bohemian Club member starting in 1953 (Domhoff, p 15);

Other Bohemian members and guests include: George P. Shultz, Gerald R. Ford, Henry Kissinger, William F. Buckley, Jr., Merv Griffin, Joseph Coors, Edward Teller, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Casper W. Weinberger, Colin Powell, Newt Gingrich, Frank Popoff, Danny Glover, Alexander Haig, Chuck Yeager, Donald Rumsfeld, TV personality Chris Matthews, gay porn star Chad Savage, Charlton Heston, Jack London, Art Linkletter, Jimmy Carter, Dwight Eisenhower, and hundreds of other prominent politicos, businessmen, military leaders, and foreign heads of state and dignitaries.

I merely present a few facts concerning this strange ritual in the forest without lending credence to either of two broad interpretations of what this Club represents: pagan rituals with gross immorality involving prostitution and drunkenness, or just a little fun in the sun for high level movers and shakers to relax for a few weeks. But I think we seriously have to ask ourselves, of the thousands of possible settings and themes for a high level elitists men's club: why a sacrifice to a giant pagan idol in the woods to purge themselves of the cares of this world? And why are many of these same barons of politics, industry, and media also members of the Freemasons, Skull and Bones, and similar ghastly and secret fraternities



I cast my vote for Jesus Christ Son of the living God and Him only.

Peace and Love to all of you.

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Re: Politics ?voting
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 07:05:17 PM »

I personally don't vote because I belong to the kingdom of God. We are to be a peculiar people, a holy nation.

What citizen belonging of one nation, votes in the affairs of another?

My vote belongs to the kingdom of God's. There it is cast. I do not meddle in the affairs of other nations.

In the world, NOT of it ;)

That's just my take though, others may love to disagree!

God bless,
Alex

P.S. That doesn't stop me from getting frustrated at the evil of governments or politicians though. I could talk your ear off about it just like anyone else! :P
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2013, 07:24:21 PM »

That's what I'm beginning to see also, The lake of fire series has really open my eyes or I should say God is opening my eyes through the lake of fire series.
I been seeing many changes in me lately such as how I view thing and things that once turned me on now turn me off and now this politic thing I'm seeing as something to flee from.

Love and Peace to all.
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2013, 07:26:07 PM »

First I lost my religion.  Then I lost my 'upbringing'.  Then I lost my ideologies.  Then I lost my politics.  I don't miss them. 

I haven't joined the 'other side' in any of them having lost my own.  There is very little I like to 'talk about' on the subjects because no matter which side of the fence my 'talking partner' is on, it's highly unlikely they believe in God--protestations to the contrary.  Let the dead bury the dead. 
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rick

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2013, 08:52:32 PM »

Dave, all these things your talking about is what I'm feeling this day. My interest are changing so much, even my favorite sin such a drag to me. No doubt Christ is working wonders in me as such I have never experience before and its incredible ,painful and sometimes confusing too.

 Thanks for your response Dave.

Love and peace to all.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 12:38:55 AM »

Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility. But I don't want to get into politics on here, nor really anywhere else anymore, because I have my own problems to deal with first.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 01:03:49 AM »

Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility.

Yeah, but if we pay our taxes, aren't we supposed to vote, knowing that we(voters) will get the government we deserve, regardless of how we vote?

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 01:18:39 AM »

Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility.

Yeah, but if we pay our taxes, aren't we supposed to vote, knowing that we(voters) will get the government we deserve, regardless of how we vote?

Nah, we get the government that none of us want, whether we vote or not.


Something to lighten up this thread:

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2013, 12:42:08 PM »

I wonder what it would be like to have foreign troops come into my home in the middle of the night.. pull me into the street put a weapon in my face.. threaten my family or worse.. Or what it would be like to have one of my children blown to pieces by a drone bomb.

Or what it would be like as a child to have my dad kill himself rather than have to live with the terrible memories of war.

I can only wonder how that would feel. It breaks my heart to realize that this is a reality for someone somewhere else in the world. Whoever that someone is, he is a creation of The Most High created in His image as much as I am, with the same life breath of God inside him. Far be it from me to have any part in the pain, suffering, humiliation, agony that is imposed on this person.

There's a lot of factors that contribute to the horrors happening to innocent people in the places where the U.S. wages it's wars. Some won't agree with me and some may well be offended but I'm only speaking for myself and the convictions that God has placed in MY heart and those convictions show me that by voting for a government that carries out these acts, that makes me responsible for these acts even if only in a small part. I mean when a drone bomb kills an innocent 5 year old girl, who's responsible? The drone operator who pushed the button, the officer who gave the order, the president who wages the war, or the 60 million people who chose that president to represent themselves and their interests on the world stage? Its certainly a big equation with lots of factors but voting, to me, is part of the equation.

Even if I really believed that these wars are to protect my freedom, safety, etc., My worldly freedom isn't more important than an innocent life. Worldly freedom is just an illusion anyway. The only true freedom was bought and paid for on the cross and no one can take it from me. It doesn't require that I kill for it. It does require that I be willing to die for it.

I dunno. I've been told that I'm too dramatic when it comes to my convictions in this area.. But we're supposed to help widows and orphans, not cause them. More US soldiers kill themselves than die in combat. I've watched YouTube clips of soldiers talking about how they were told they were going to fight terrorists over seas only to come to the realization that the soldiers themselves were the terrorists in the eyes of innocent villagers. I've read suicide notes of soldiers. Seen documentaries of families who've suffered innocently by drone strikes, night raids mistakenly killing pregnant women etc.

It'd be much easier to just believe the POTUS when he gets on tv and says civilian casualties from drones are few. Or that these wars are wars of necessity and not wars of choice. Or that we're bringing freedom to those people by killing them. It'd be easy to just take his word for it and give him my vote. I'm more concerned with the ugly truth than a beautiful lie.

Guess I'm not much of a patriot. But I don't suppose God is American anyway..







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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2013, 01:20:48 PM »

Hi largeli,

You ask who is responsible for all that evil? God is responsible plain and simple. He did after all give Satan power over the nation.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2013, 02:03:19 PM »

When I was a southern baptist, our church used to hand out voting tracts prepared by the Christian Coalition. Anything that Babylon gets involved with should raise a red flag in our minds. There will never be a shortage of people in this country, or world, who will want to vote. Politics is nasty business, as it is mainly about power, corruption, backstabbing, and lying. You all know how bad it gets around election time, with all those negative ads and smear campaigns. This is the way of the world, and they love to have it this way. As Lilitalianboi pointed out, "We are a peculiar people", and should not be involved in the affairs of this world system.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2013, 03:50:52 PM »

john from kentucky, why do you always have to be so belittling in your comments to forum members?   ???

claudia
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2013, 04:17:12 PM »

john from kentucky, why do you always have to be so belittling in your comments to forum members?   ???

claudia

Claudia, I think John is just much more bold in his interactions with us. I don't think there is anything wrong with that and he provides a very different perspective sometimes that is lacking and needed. God is uniquely fashioning each one of us, including our dear old brother John here!  ;)

Dare I go so far as to say, sometimes, he's entertaining.  ;D Haha.

Love to you dear sister, and of course, to you too john! :P

In Christ,
Alex
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2013, 04:23:11 PM »

OK all,

Back to politics and voting.

Rom 13:1  Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5  Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Rom 13:6  For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7  Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.


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Mat_22:17  Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat_22:21  They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


My take on this is that we have to live according to the laws of the land as long as it does not conflict with God's instruction.
We are obligated to pay taxes. Voting is a personal choice. Neither good or evil. One's own conscience dictates what to do. Rom. 14:23.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2013, 04:28:52 PM »

John from Kentucky

They're not MY tax dollars to begin with... Are they yours?
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2013, 05:14:09 PM »

John from Kentucky

They're not MY tax dollars to begin with... Are they yours?


What fun.  A philosophy question.

I feel like the young Kung Fu sitting at the feet of Master Po.

"Ah, grasshopper, observe the water lily and all will be revealed."


O.K., to answer your question, my tax dollar had a picture of Washington.  Render to Washington the things that are Washington's......  Did I pass the test?

With flying colors grasshoppa..
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2013, 06:14:16 PM »


Claudia,

Are you saying I'm still carnal?  :D  If so, your words are hurtful.  :'(   Just not feeling the love here.





i have never "appreciated" bullies in government/politics or on this forum.  we are all yet carnal. 

claudia
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2013, 06:54:09 PM »

There is none righteous, no not one.  Everybody has the answer, and everybody has God on their side.  If only all those pesky other people would think/act/do/vote right this world would be a paradise of peace and plenty.  Why oh why won't they get that speck out of their eye?  Dear Lord, how long do we have to wait before everybody agrees with me?  Sorry, I mean, me and You.  Jesus is my tag-team wrestling partner, personal pocket-savior, and validator of all my parking prejudices.

Vote, and you're a sinner.  Don't vote and you're a sinner.  Vote wrong, and you are a sinner.     
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2013, 07:20:29 PM »

There is none righteous, no not one.  Everybody has the answer, and everybody has God on their side.  If only all those pesky other people would think/act/do/vote right this world would be a paradise of peace and plenty.  Why oh why won't they get that speck out of their eye?  Dear Lord, how long do we have to wait before everybody agrees with me?  Sorry, I mean, me and You.  Jesus is my tag-team wrestling partner, personal pocket-savior, and validator of all my parking prejudices.

Vote, and you're a sinner.  Don't vote and you're a sinner.  Vote wrong, and you are a sinner.   

Looks like this should be an easy choice!  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2013, 07:33:59 PM »



Man is man wherever you go.. US or Tonga. The horrors of the wars being fought are just man doing what man does. All I'm saying is that I'm not going to play an active role in it because I know I wouldn't want any of that stuff done to me.

It doesn't take a moral Einstein to be against killing innocents or recognize hypocrisy. I wouldn't be ok with a drone bomb killing my family.. And so if I'm ok with a drone bomb killing someone else's family then wouldn't I be a hypocrite?
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