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Pierdut:
Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility. But I don't want to get into politics on here, nor really anywhere else anymore, because I have my own problems to deal with first.
loretta:
--- Quote from: Pierdut on October 17, 2013, 09:38:55 PM ---Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility.
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Yeah, but if we pay our taxes, aren't we supposed to vote, knowing that we(voters) will get the government we deserve, regardless of how we vote?
Pierdut:
--- Quote from: loretta on October 17, 2013, 10:03:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Pierdut on October 17, 2013, 09:38:55 PM ---Voting in this sham of a democracy is an exercise in futility.
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Yeah, but if we pay our taxes, aren't we supposed to vote, knowing that we(voters) will get the government we deserve, regardless of how we vote?
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Nah, we get the government that none of us want, whether we vote or not.
Something to lighten up this thread:
lareli:
I wonder what it would be like to have foreign troops come into my home in the middle of the night.. pull me into the street put a weapon in my face.. threaten my family or worse.. Or what it would be like to have one of my children blown to pieces by a drone bomb.
Or what it would be like as a child to have my dad kill himself rather than have to live with the terrible memories of war.
I can only wonder how that would feel. It breaks my heart to realize that this is a reality for someone somewhere else in the world. Whoever that someone is, he is a creation of The Most High created in His image as much as I am, with the same life breath of God inside him. Far be it from me to have any part in the pain, suffering, humiliation, agony that is imposed on this person.
There's a lot of factors that contribute to the horrors happening to innocent people in the places where the U.S. wages it's wars. Some won't agree with me and some may well be offended but I'm only speaking for myself and the convictions that God has placed in MY heart and those convictions show me that by voting for a government that carries out these acts, that makes me responsible for these acts even if only in a small part. I mean when a drone bomb kills an innocent 5 year old girl, who's responsible? The drone operator who pushed the button, the officer who gave the order, the president who wages the war, or the 60 million people who chose that president to represent themselves and their interests on the world stage? Its certainly a big equation with lots of factors but voting, to me, is part of the equation.
Even if I really believed that these wars are to protect my freedom, safety, etc., My worldly freedom isn't more important than an innocent life. Worldly freedom is just an illusion anyway. The only true freedom was bought and paid for on the cross and no one can take it from me. It doesn't require that I kill for it. It does require that I be willing to die for it.
I dunno. I've been told that I'm too dramatic when it comes to my convictions in this area.. But we're supposed to help widows and orphans, not cause them. More US soldiers kill themselves than die in combat. I've watched YouTube clips of soldiers talking about how they were told they were going to fight terrorists over seas only to come to the realization that the soldiers themselves were the terrorists in the eyes of innocent villagers. I've read suicide notes of soldiers. Seen documentaries of families who've suffered innocently by drone strikes, night raids mistakenly killing pregnant women etc.
It'd be much easier to just believe the POTUS when he gets on tv and says civilian casualties from drones are few. Or that these wars are wars of necessity and not wars of choice. Or that we're bringing freedom to those people by killing them. It'd be easy to just take his word for it and give him my vote. I'm more concerned with the ugly truth than a beautiful lie.
Guess I'm not much of a patriot. But I don't suppose God is American anyway..
G. Driggs:
Hi largeli,
You ask who is responsible for all that evil? God is responsible plain and simple. He did after all give Satan power over the nation.
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