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theophilus:
I've never heard or read that atheists claim that "all this" came out of nothing. They quote chemistry which teaches that matter is neither created nor destroyed. Isn't this what we see happening in the universe? Burn a piece of paper. Where does it go? Did you annihilate the piece of paper by burning it? I think not.

To demand proof of God is for the spiritually dead. But we have been given the faith to believe God's existence. It is of God that you have the chance to speak with atheists.

Interesting to think that the Christian church is the one to witness. Could it be that's the reason the arm of The Lord is hard at work in their midst healing the sick, casting out evil spirits, etc, etc? I have seen my share of healings and casting out of evil spirits.

Have you read the testimonies of the persecuted Christians in China? Read of the miracles that God has worked in their midst?

se7en:
Yeah Jesse...  "If I was God, I would do it this way." "If I was all-powerful, I would just make a perfect world."

That sooooo sums up the spirit of the world.

It's that they don't realize God is in the middle of creating perfection, right now even, it's perfect, just as God intended it to be at this moment and time. Everything is exactly as it should be. That is absolutely comforting. :)

mickiel:


Jesus is a way to explain that God exist, and even some Atheist admit he did exist in our history. Getting them to see Jesus was historical is helpful; and quite easy to do. You could tell them we have the actual bone box of the high Priest Caiaphas, who slapped Jesus in the face. We also have the bones of Simon the Cyrenian, who helped Jesus carry his cross. We have the actual house of Martha and Mary, we have the place where Jesus was killed, Golgotha; the Place of the Skull. We have the river Jesus was baptised in, Jordan; the garden he prayed in, and the Damascus Gate he was marched through; and even the spot he stood on before Pilot, the " Via Dolorosa." Taking them through an historical factual trip through history can be stunning to them, and you can even tell them many writers in history wrote about Jesus; those writers include;

Tertullian, Suetonius, Thallus, Origen, Lucian, Celsus, Sextus Julius Africanus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Dionysius the Areopagite, Hegesippus, Clement, Conon, Porphyry of Tyre, Polycarp, Eusebius, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Phlegon, Mara Bar-Serapion, Trajans correspondance with Pliny, The Toledot Yeshu ( which is anti Christian), Chrysostom, Clemet of Alexandria, Macarius the Elder, Ussher, Paulus Orosius, Aristides the Athenian, Augustine of Hippo, Quadratus of Athens, The Babylonian Talmud, along with others. Such lists will tend to be meaningful in an effort to explain that God exist. In 1 Thess. 5:21, " But examine " Everything carefully", some bibles render " Prove all things." Hold fast to that which is good. I think its a good thing to examine God, or to prove that he exist. He is our destiny, and its absolutely nothing wrong with confirming our destiny, in my view. Or explaining it to others. I listen to so many " Deceived Christians" giving their explinations to others, why should I stand silent and not give what I view as a better more clear explination? Well I don't, but to each their own. I like doing it, and have done it everywhere for years. I like this Gospel of the Salvation of all, Love it really. Love to hear it, and I like the way Ray taught it; gave his witness.

I don't think enough people do it. I wish more would explain God. Its not like this world does not need it.

mickiel:

--- Quote from: Extol on October 30, 2013, 08:52:05 AM ---Some have mentioned the awe-inspiring creation as proof of God's existence. But I think for many atheists there is something that bothers them more than the idea of a creator: the so-called "problem" of evil. There is a lot of horrific suffering and evil in this world, much of it caused by man's hatred for man, but also because of natural things like hurricanes and earthquakes. An atheist in Oklahoma might lose his daughter in a tornado, and that is proof enough for him that God does not exist. As horrific as it is, though, a tornado in Oklahoma is a very small thing compared to the size of the universe. So the atheist says, "If God can create this incredible universe, surely he could stop a tornado from happening on tiny planet earth." Or "If God can create this incredible universe, surely he could make humans that don't hate and kill each other." A co-worker in her early 20s told me she used to believe in God, but she doesn't anymore because her dad died.  Not meaning to be disrespectful to her feelings, I thought this was a rather arrogant reason for not believing in God. "Never mind the fact that everyone in history before us has died, if somebody I love dies, then there must be no God." For some people, that's all it takes.

Yesterday I was listening to "Does A Sovereign God Change?" and Ray said something like "People like to believe that God changes his mind, because every notch God goes down, they go up. You don't know how badly people want to be on par with God!" That is the crux of this problem of evil. People want to play God. "If I was God, I would do it this way." "If I was all-powerful, I would just make a perfect world." I suspect many Christians feel this way too, not just atheists and agnostics.

Also, as se7en mentioned, some are atheists because of "hell".

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I think many people do want to " Be on par with God", but simply just don't know how. They don't know where we came from , or are going ( and some of them reject the idiot idea of hell.) Some have been taught that humans are continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes; and others admit its just a mystery; I think the world is ripe for the real truth; the need is plentiful, but the labourers few.

Kat:


--- Quote ---but to each their own.
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Hi mickiel, that comment I believe says a lot. We all have different tendencies, some want to witness about what they believe, others have no desire to do it at all and those in between too. That is one aspect of the uniqueness we all have, it's the different dispositions that we possess.

If somebody believes something to be true, then I guess they tend to want others to share in what they know and that's not a bad thing. We're all on somewhat different journeys though and we believe what we do because of the background knowledge we have acquired so far. Maybe you will be the source of information that will help somebody believe, that's part of your journey. It's all of God.

Pro 16:9  A man's heart plans his way,
       But the LORD directs his steps.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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