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Can you explain how God exist?
Ricky:
Gee, almost sounds like maybe if we all had free will, we would all live forever because there would be no evil,!! on a planet with 500 billion other beasts, we would all love each other, we would have no choice. I think i will just stay here. Ricky
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Ricky on November 03, 2013, 11:31:40 AM ---Gee, almost sounds like maybe if we all had free will, we would all live forever because there would be no evil,!! on a planet with 500 billion other beasts, we would all love each other, we would have no choice. I think i will just stay here. Ricky
--- End quote ---
All loving each other would be a wonderful thing for sure; I don't believe in free will, but I do believe in limited will. And I believe in witnessing; I guess that is obvious now. You know some people tell everyone bad news, but they won't tell everyone good news. It takes time to change negative thinking; and some believers just have a negative view of witnessing. They think its worldly. One of Jesus names is " The True Witness", Rev. 3:14. One of the reasons Jesus was born and came into this world was to bear witness to the truth, John 18:37. On a planet with a billion people, he did not concern himself with who would listen. Even the Father God is a witness, John 8:18. Paul was a Witness, Acts 26:22. The scripture itself is a witness, John 5:39, the Holy Spirit is a witness, John 15:26; every book and letter written in the bible is a witness, and its author was a witness; so the word" witness" is not some kind of negative worldly term or act.
Your witness is your " Work." Ray did an awesome work, or witness. He did a work for God. Anybody who looks to help others on this website, is doing a " Work", or a witness for God. Your work is your witness; what you do for God is your work, and faith without works is dead, James 2:26. We are Gods work, created in Christ for " Good Works", Eph. 2:10, or for a good witness. Jesus said in John 14:12 that Truly, he who believes in me , the " Works" that I do, HE SHALL DO ALSO; a very large part of Jesus work was to witness, absolutely no doubt about it; witness, not just answer questions when asked! The scripture talks about receiving power to be a witness all over the place, Acts 1:8.
One of the ways to explain God, is to testify about him; talk about him. I mean, one does not have to be like a Jehovah's Witness and start going door to door, that's extreme, but to be silent is just as extreme. All these examples of witnessing in the bible, and look at how Satan has tried to squeeze it out of some true believers. Its amazing how demons attack the work of God. Try to deaden it in any way they can. They don't want truth explained. They don't want God explained, and will target those carriers of the truth , to silence them.
mickiel:
[quote author=John from Kentucky
Here is my Witness to you. You are full of spiritual crap.
You say you believe in limited will, which means you believe in free will.
Free will is one of those things like being pregnant. You have or you don't, you are or not.
If you have limited free will, then that means God is not completely sovereign in your life. You can use your limited free will to oppose God. That puts you in charge. Get it?
Before you witness or teach others, make sure you know what you're talking about.
It is all about Jesus. He is Antipas, the Faithful Witness. He and He Alone.
[/quote]
I am not full of anything spiritual, I do not have the Spirit of God inside me perminently; I don't make that claim. I do not believe in free will, no matter if you believe that or not. You do not define me. I believe humans do have a limited range of will, and even that is not free, but its there. Its like being placed inside of a fenched in yard and told you can play anywhere within that yard, but you cannot go outside of that yard. Humanity is in a fenched in yard that God has designed, and they can only go so far; and then no further. But there is a little room to move around on their own. Such is my view.
And I hold no intrest in teaching; I just like sharing. It is unfortunate that you do not like what I share.
Peace.
Dave in Tenn:
Mikiel, let me give you some other reasons why some wouldn't want to "Witness" (notice the quotation marks).
1. Some people don't want to hear. I actually understand this. I don't hold anything of great value to be "true" that wasn't preceded by pain. Someone not in "pain" has no need for a antidote. If they are fat, dumb and happy with the way they think, then the Lord God has not begun to deal with them. Mat 7:7,8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
2. Some people only want to argue. It's a fleshly desire that craves to be filled. Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
3. Some find themselves unable to "teach". This TOO is Scriptural. Are all teachers, or evangelists, or missionaries?
1Co 12:18 Yet now God placed the members, each one of them, in the body according as He wills. "
1Co 12:19 Now if it were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 Yet now there are, indeed, many members, yet one body."
1Co 12:21 Yet the eye can not say to the hand, "I have no need of you,or, again, the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
1Co 12:22 Nay, much rather, those members of the body supposed to be inherently weaker are necessary,
1Co 12:23 and which we suppose to be a more dishonored part of the body, these we are investing with more exceeding honor, and our indecent members have more exceeding respectability."
1Co 12:24 Now our respectable members have no need, but God blends the body together, giving to that which is deficient more exceeding honor,
1Co 12:25 that there may be no schism in the body, but the members may be solicitous for one another."
1Co 12:26 And whether one member is suffering, all the members are sympathizing, or one member is being esteemed, all the members are rejoicing with it."
1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members of a part,
1Co 12:28 whom also God, indeed, placed in the ecclesia, first, apostles, second, prophets, third, teachers, thereupon powers, thereupon graces of healing, supports, pilotage, species of languages."
1Co 12:29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all have powers.
1Co 12:30 Not all have the graces of healing. Not all are speaking languages. Not all are interpreting.
1Co 12:31 Yet be zealous for the greater graces. And still I am showing you a path, suited to transcendence."
Please be careful attributing the work of God to demons. I hope that wasn't your intent.
In addition, there are warnings and admonitions given in Scripture explicitly to and about 'teachers'. Some take greater care with these than others.
Now, I hope that few or none of us are guilty of the "flip side"--without any real experience with "truth", or loving an argument for the sake of the carnal thrill of arguing, or assuming ourselves to be something we are not. But I'll tell you a secret--it wasn't the forum (this or any other) that caused me to believe. Ray didn't meet me where I was (on the internet) short of a google ad. And I didn't come to 'ask, seek, knock" but to "murder".
I know beyond any shadow of un-knowing that Faith is a Gift. Yes, it comes by hearing and we can't hear without a "preacher". But there are both some I might wish would preach, and others I wish would refrain from preaching--at least for now. There are plenty who would take on the whole world, ready and able or not...but who wouldn't do anything to aide one who was ready and able. The fields are already ripe, but the workers are few. All is of God. Jesus is Lord.
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 03, 2013, 04:52:05 PM ---Mikiel, let me give you some other reasons why some wouldn't want to "Witness" (notice the quotation marks).
1. Some people don't want to hear. I actually understand this. I don't hold anything of great value to be "true" that wasn't preceded by pain. Someone not in "pain" has no need for a antidote. If they are fat, dumb and happy with the way they think, then the Lord God has not begun to deal with them. Mat 7:7,8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
2. Some people only want to argue. It's a fleshly desire that craves to be filled. Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
3. Some find themselves unable to "teach". This TOO is Scriptural. Are all teachers, or evangelists, or missionaries?
1Co 12:18 Yet now God placed the members, each one of them, in the body according as He wills. "
1Co 12:19 Now if it were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 Yet now there are, indeed, many members, yet one body."
1Co 12:21 Yet the eye can not say to the hand, "I have no need of you,or, again, the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
1Co 12:22 Nay, much rather, those members of the body supposed to be inherently weaker are necessary,
1Co 12:23 and which we suppose to be a more dishonored part of the body, these we are investing with more exceeding honor, and our indecent members have more exceeding respectability."
1Co 12:24 Now our respectable members have no need, but God blends the body together, giving to that which is deficient more exceeding honor,
1Co 12:25 that there may be no schism in the body, but the members may be solicitous for one another."
1Co 12:26 And whether one member is suffering, all the members are sympathizing, or one member is being esteemed, all the members are rejoicing with it."
1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members of a part,
1Co 12:28 whom also God, indeed, placed in the ecclesia, first, apostles, second, prophets, third, teachers, thereupon powers, thereupon graces of healing, supports, pilotage, species of languages."
1Co 12:29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all have powers.
1Co 12:30 Not all have the graces of healing. Not all are speaking languages. Not all are interpreting.
1Co 12:31 Yet be zealous for the greater graces. And still I am showing you a path, suited to transcendence."
Please be careful attributing the work of God to demons. I hope that wasn't your intent.
In addition, there are warnings and admonitions given in Scripture explicitly to and about 'teachers'. Some take greater care with these than others.
Now, I hope that few or none of us are guilty of the "flip side"--without any real experience with "truth", or loving an argument for the sake of the carnal thrill of arguing, or assuming ourselves to be something we are not. But I'll tell you a secret--it wasn't the forum (this or any other) that caused me to believe. Ray didn't meet me where I was (on the internet) short of a google ad. And I didn't come to 'ask, seek, knock" but to "murder".
I know beyond any shadow of un-knowing that Faith is a Gift. Yes, it comes by hearing and we can't hear without a "preacher". But there are both some I might wish would preach, and others I wish would refrain from preaching--at least for now. There are plenty who would take on the whole world, ready and able or not...but who wouldn't do anything to aide one who was ready and able. The fields are already ripe, but the workers are few. All is of God. Jesus is Lord.
--- End quote ---
I do understand the " Reasons" why some do not want to witness, or just witness in confined situations they are comfortable with; I understand that. And I certainly agree that the fields are ripe but the workers are few; I just happen to believe that part of the " Work", is witnessing. Jesus did not baptise anybody, and I don't think he tried to convert people that much; he just gave his witness of God and the comming Kingdom. He liked witnessing, and so do I. Does not matter to me why people don't like doing it; I do it. And I don't do it based on what other believers are saying and doing; I do it because I believe in it. I think its biblical, its God's will, its a way to spread the truth; and this gospel of the Kingdom will be spread all over this world, no matter who participates in it. No matter who thinks of reasons not to spread it.
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