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Where is Jesus came from?
Kat:
Hi santgem,
--- Quote ---Again, i encountered the word begotten. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
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Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are My Son, today I have begotten(G1080) You"? Or again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son"?
Strong's
G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
Webster on e-Sword
BEGET', v.t. pret. begot, begat; pp. begot, begotten.
1. To procreate, as a father or sire; to generate; as, to beget a son.
2. To produce, as an effect; to cause to exist; to generate; as, luxury begets vice.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
santgem:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 07, 2013, 07:13:18 PM ---
Hi santgem,
--- Quote ---Again, i encountered the word begotten. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
--- End quote ---
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are My Son, today I have begotten(G1080) You"? Or again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son"?
Strong's
G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
Webster on e-Sword
BEGET', v.t. pret. begot, begat; pp. begot, begotten.
1. To procreate, as a father or sire; to generate; as, to beget a son.
2. To produce, as an effect; to cause to exist; to generate; as, luxury begets vice.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hello Kat,
Thanks again for that post.
Actually in my understanding It is ONLY Jesus that is actually begotten or born of God. He is not merely created. Ray said that "No, our final destination is to be BORN into the Kingdom of God". Ray did not say that our final destination is to born of God but be BORN in the Kingdom of God.
Sonship?
« on: May 25, 2007, 10:33:17 PM »
Hey Ray,
I am listening to your sermons on the Origins of Jesus as I write. But something caught my ear that I hope you can clear up. You stated something along the lines that we will not be adopted into the family of God as the Angels were, but that we will be begotten and that that is a far more intimate relationship with God. Can you then please explain the following scriptures?
Romans 8:15 “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”
Romans 8:23 “And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”
Galatians 4:5 “To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”
Ephesians 1:5 “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will”
Strong’s dictionary does not give any alternate definitions for the Greek. I of course am not refuting your statements but maybe I misunderstand you. My understanding is that to be “begotten” is quite different from being “adopted.” Thanks for your time.Roy
Dear Roy: Yes, Strong's does give an alternate to "adoption" for the word "unibotheia," and in fact the "alternate" is his FIRST definition is "the PLACING OF A SON...SONSHIP."
Webster's New Twenteth Century Dictionary Unabridged:"sonship"--"the STATE OF BEING A SON"
Romans 8:15....
"But you have received a spirit of SONSHIP" (Rotherham's Emphasized Bible)
"...but a Spirit which makes us SONS" (The New English Bible)
"...you have received the Spirit of SONSHIP" (Moffatt Translation)
"...you received the Spirit of SONSHIP" (New International Version)
"...but you received a Spirit of SONSHIP" (Emphatic Diaglott).
"...but you got the spirit of SONSHIP" (Concordant Literal New Testament) Etc.
We are not merely adopted into the Family of God, but rather God has "BEGOTTEN us" [Gk: 'beget, be born--regenerate']" (I Pet. 1:3). And: "Being BORN AGAIN [same Greek word], not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God..." (Verse 23).
No, our final destination is to be BORN into the Kingdom of God, not just an "adoption." Some bibles do not ever use the word "adoption." Even if we were to accept these Scriptures as "adoption," we still have the added knowledge that we are to be BORN into the Kingdom of God.
We are all "called," but is that our final destiny? No, there is also (in addition to the called) those called ones who are CHOSEN, and even among the chosen, there must be the FAITHFUL (Rev.17:14). Judas was called and chosen, but he was NOT FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END!!
Hope this helps your understanding.
God be with you,
Ray
santgem:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 07, 2013, 06:33:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on November 07, 2013, 03:00:11 AM ---
Greetings Dave in Tenn,
Indeed, Jesus was "son' before he was born in betlehem:
Jesus is also;
Son of God
Son of the Father
Everlasting Father
Father of Eternity
Mighty God
Son of the living God
Living God
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Son of Man
The Man
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Bro. Dave greetings,
Yes, Jesus is the Son of Man , The Man....
If we are to call Him maybe this is not enough;
JESUS IS... OUR ADVOCATE !Jn. 2:1
JESUS IS... ALMIGHTY Rev. 1:8 - Mat.28:18
JESUS IS... ALPHA AND OMEGA Rev.1:8 -22:13
JESUS IS... AMEN Rev. 3:14
JESUS IS... APOSTLE OF OUR PROFESSION Heb. 3:1
JESUS IS... ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS 1 Jn.2:2
JESUS IS... AUTHOR OF LIFE Acts 3:15
JESUS IS... AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF OUR FAITH Heb.12:2
JESUS IS... AUTHOR OF SALVATION Heb. 2:10
JESUS IS... BEGINNING AND END Rev. 22:13
JESUS IS... BLESSED AND ONLY RULER 1 Tim. 6:5
JESUS IS... BREAD OF GOD Jn. 6:33
JESUS IS... BRIDEGROOM Mt. 9:15
JESUS IS... CAPSTONE Acts. 4:11-1Pet. 2:7
JESUS IS... CHIEF CORNERSTONE Eph. 2:20
JESUS IS... CHIEF SHEPARD Eph. 2:20
JESUS IS... CHRIST 1Jn. 2:22
JESUS IS... CREATOR Jn. 1:3
JESUS IS... DELIVERER Rom. 11:26
JESUS IS... ETERNAL LIFE 1 Jn. 1:2-5:20
JESUS IS... GATE Jn.10:9
JESUS IS... FAITHFUL WITNESS Rev. 3:14
JESUS IS... FAITHFUL AND TRUE Rev. 9:11
JESUS IS... FIRST AND LAST Rev.1:17-2:8-22:13
JESUS IS... FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD Rev.1:5
JESUS IS... FIRSTBORN OVER CREATION Col.1:15
JESUS IS... GOD Jn. 1:1-20:28- Heb.1:8 Rom.9:5
JESUS IS... THE GOOD SHEPARD Jn. 10:11,14
JESUS IS... GREAT SHEPARD Heb. 13:20
JESUS IS... GREAT HIGH PRIEST Heb. 4:14
JESUS IS... HEAD OF THE CHURCH Eph. 1:22-4:15-5:23
JESUS IS... HEIR OF ALL THINGS Heb. 1:2
JESUS IS... HOLY AND TRUE Rev. 3:7
JESUS IS... HOLY ONE Acts 3:14
JESUS IS... HOPE 1 Tim. 1:1
JESUS IS... HOPE OF GLORY Col.1:27
JESUS IS... HORN OF SALVATION Luk.1:69
JESUS IS... IAM Jn.8:53
JESUS IS... IMAGE OF GOD 2 Cor.4:4
JESUS IS... IMMANUEL Mt.1:23
JESUS IS... JUDGEOF THE LIVING AND DEAD Acts 10:42
JESUS IS... KING ETERNAL 1 Tim. 1:17
JESUS IS... KING OF ISRAEL Jn. 1:49
JESUS IS... KING OF THE AGES Rev.15:3
JESUS IS... LAMB Rev. 13:8
JESUS IS... LAMB OF GOD Jn. 1:29
JESUS IS... LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH 1 Pet.1:19
JESUS IS... LAST ADAM 1 Cor. 15:45
JESUS IS... LIFE Jn. 14:6 -Col. 3:4
JESUS IS... LIGHT OF THE WORLD Jn. 8:12
JESUS IS... LION OF THE TRIB OF JUDAH Rev.5:5
JESUS IS... LIVING ONE Rev. 1:18
JESUS IS... LIVING STONE 1Pet. 2:4
JESUS IS... LORD 2Pet. 2:20
JESUS IS... LORD OF GLORY 1Cor. 2:8
JESUS IS... LORD OF LORDS Rev.19:16
JESUS IS... MAN FROM HEAVEN 1Cor. 15:48
JESUS IS... MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT Heb. 9:15
JESUS IS... MIGHTY GOD Isa.9:6
JESUS IS... MORNING STAR Rev. 22:16
JESUS IS... OFFSPRING OF DAVID Rev. 22:16
JESUS IS... ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD Jn. 1:18-1Jn. 4:9
JESUS IS... OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR Titus 2:13
JESUS IS... OUR HOLINESS 1Cor. 1:30
JESUS IS... OUR HUSBAND 2Cor. 11:2
JESUS IS... OUR PROTECTION 2Thess. 3:3
JESUS IS... OUR REDEMPTION 1 Cor.1:30
JESUS IS... OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS 1Cor. 1:30
JESUS IS... OUR SACIFICED PASSOVER LAMB 1Cor. 5:7
JESUS IS... POWER OF GOD 1Cor. 1:24
JESUS IS... PRECIOUS CORNERSTONE 1Pet.2:6
JESUS IS... PROPHET Acts 3:22
JESUS IS... RABBI Mt.26:25
JESUS IS... RESURRECTION AND LIFE Jn.11:25
JESUS IS... RIGHTEOUS BRANCH Jer.23:5
JESUS IS... RIGHTEOUS ONE Acts 7:52-1Jn. 2:1
JESUS IS... ROCK 1Cor. 10:4
JESUS IS... ROOT OF DAVID Rev.5:5-22:16
JESUS IS... RULER OF GODS CREATION Rev.3:14
JESUS IS... RULER OF KINGS OF THE EARTH Rev.1:5
JESUS IS... SON OF DAVID Lk.18:39
JESUS IS... SON OF MAN Mt.8:20
JESUS IS... SON OF MOST HIGH GOD Lk.1:32
JESUS IS... SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR BELIEVERS Heb.5:9
JESUS IS... THE STONE BUILDERS REJECTED Acts.4:11
JESUS IS... TRUE BREAD Jn.6:32
JESUS IS... TRUE LIGHT Jn.1:9
JESUS IS... TRUE VINE Jn.15:1
JESUS IS... TRUTH Jn.1:4-14:6
JESUS IS... WAY Jn. 14:6
JESUS IS... WISDOM 1Cor.1:24
JESUS IS...THE WORD Jn.1:1
Kat:
Hi santgem,
Yes, "the only begotten." The Son is quite unique and He is the Firstfruits of the kingdom with many/all yet to come.
1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
Matt 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom...
James 2:5 Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
mercy, peace and love
Kat
se7en:
JESUS IS... BEGINNING AND END Rev. 22:13
JESUS IS... ALPHA AND OMEGA Rev.1:8 -22:13
JESUS IS... FIRST AND LAST Rev.1:17-2:8-22:13
JESUS IS...THE WORD Jn.1:1
I love all the "Jesus Is" statements. But those I would have to say are some of my top favorites! If Jesus is the beginning and the end... He's also everything else in between. The first Adam and the last Adam . He lives His life in each and every person, at their appointed time.
He starts it all, and finishes it all. MY LORD AND MY GOD!!! Creator and sustainer and worker of EVERYTHING.
It's beautiful, puts a big smile on my face :) thanks for this thread guys!
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