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santgem:
What will gonna be when the time comes?

No matter how many Prophets, angels, demons, teachers, bibles, preachers, priests, pastors, messengers, reverends, tidal waves, earthquakes, typhoons, wars, famines,tornadoes is to come people will go business as usual. This is very similar to the Parable of the Richman and Lazarus.


The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus


(John 5:39-47)


19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seethe Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Ian 155:
these scriptures seem to refer to the catastrophic event on 9/11 this could also be human rational - I mean there are far greater acts of violence recorded all over with far more casualties, we can go way back and find great disaster.

I cannot say for sure that this event was predicted by Isaiah,  I am not sure these towers and the devastation they caused would change man one bit in fact after reading the plans for the new edition ........

Nations paid heavy prices for rejecting the Lord in the OT these are shadows of what will take place in us.in us towers are destroyed , in us, twin towers are destroyed in us, the only cornerstone is the capstone, Jesus Christ .

Seems this tower thing is a bit like focusing on externals such as baptism and circumcision ,bloodline etc 

So don't be concerned about man made theories the corner stone has been laid, God will build anyway,he is a master at what he does...

They can rebuild 50 more twin Tower buildings that will not bring any change in us because "unless God builds the temple [us] the laborers [us] labor in vain"

PS when i read about all the theories ie structural weakening ,explosions within the buildings that took place and the insurance policies taken out prior to the fall of the TT I am absolutely horrified that the possibility of greed to that degree,actually exists in us.

se7en:
Such a good discussion. Alex, I think we are on the right train of thought here... I'm so glad you started this question, we all help each other grow!

My two cents...

The Lord is in the business of saving us.. CURRENTLY... Right now. Because He "IS" right now. Talked about in Ray's "12 Truths to Understanding His Word".

His words are spirit and they are life and they apply RIGHT NOW to every person that He's opened their ears and eyes to see the spirit of His Word.

If we focus on someone else "out there"  or put the Word out into the future, on some other people in some other time... Then there is no internal benefit for us RIGHT NOW, and God's precious fiery Word would have lost its meaning within our hearts.

Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

They were asking about "Those guys" over "there" somewhere else. Who happened to have the tower fall on "those other guys". The spiritual truth is that it's not about "THEM" in the future or in the past... (well it is, while they were alive in their age, it concerned them), but right now it's primarily about ME....and YOU who have ears to hear and eyes to see God changing us and burning out the old man within us, and replacing the old man with His (Christ's) mindset.

Isa 30:25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

Those are spiritual words! I'm not saying that they don't have a outward physical application, I'm sure they do. But the Lord is speaking to us spiritually here. We compare spiritual with spiritual. The physical is temporary.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

It doesn't matter if it's a tower, or a mountain or a beast... whatever HIGH THING that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.... In each person's appointed time when the Lord reveals himself the TOWER FALLS. The beast is displaced, the mountain comes crumbling down.  If we keep looking "out there" on "someone else" the Lord's words will have no purifying effect in our lives. The tower represents any high thing that we exalt against the knowledge of God.

The primary purpose of scripture is spiritual, for me, right now. All the symbols and types and shadows are there to show me a spiritual truth within me. He's building His kingdom... within us. Let this mind be in you. God's Word stands for all time for each person's age in which they live, that's how it has a "future tense" and "past tense" application as well.

Truth number 11 from Ray's article "12 Truths to Understanding His Word".  "Grace be into you, and peace, from Him which IS and which WAS, and which IS TO COME…" (Rev. 1:4).

That's my two cents. I hope I have Christ's mind in this, what do you guys think?

lilitalienboi16:
Hello Seven,

You bring great reminders. I feel I must clarify my position and intent.

I am in no way, disagreeing with those of you who are of the mindset that the scriptures and prophecies have deeper spiritual implications and that they are written for the admonition of those called and chosen by God.

As paul said; All these things happened unto them as examples for us. I agree completely!

My reason for starting this thread was to see if there was anything of interest out there that related to the NATURAL form of the prophecies.

1 Corinthians 15:46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."

The purpose of this thread was to look into the natural fulfillment of prophecy and what, if anything, the scriptures can tell us about them as they relate to the times.

It very well may be that there isn't much good in us trying to better understand the prophecies as literal events as they relate to our time (not because they don't but because these things are locked up and not for us to understand currently) but I thought it would be worth a shot considering the recent turn of events we are experiencing in our country (USA) and how ray spoke of 9/11. Clearly though, there are certain prophetic events which have not been literally fulfilled and that I pointed too earlier in this thread.

Either way, this discussion has been very edifying and I'm grateful for that! Everyone has contributed in a positive way to my understanding and reminding of important truths.

As I've said: I have began my studies on this matter with the mind of Christ. Something I could not do before and perhaps things will become more clear with time, however long that time may be. It is also possible that things may never be more clear than they are now, that this is the extent of our understanding on these things that we can glimpse from the Word of God.

Whatever the out come may be, I won't lose sleep over it. Ultimately, I trust in the Lord in all things. We are of the same spirit and like mind and therefor, I have peace in all these matters as the rest of you who are of like mind. The main goal is continue striving towards Christ, running the race and putting off the old man. That, by the Grace of God, will never change.
All this... is just an aside note :)

God bless,

Alex

rickylittleton:
Well, just to add in my 2 cents, we all know what the bible says that will take place in the last days. "It will take place!'. I think it's just a matter of fact of how God will move men, kings, nations of this world according to His will, just so His will will be done! Tim

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