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Kat:

Hi Doug,

Welcome to the forum  :)
Okay you must have been lurking for a while, glad you decided to join in. It's almost funny how many ex-WCG people that we see come in here, yes I was one myself for 15 years. These truths that we are learning at BT is difficult, especially at first, so opposed to what we had always believed. But as I continue to study and meditate on these things they are becoming clearer, it just takes time for them to sink in.

I hope you will come to this forum to find fellowship and peace from the deceptions that fill the world. You can join in a discussion when you see something of interest come up or ask your own question. Questions are a good thing, the more perspectives on a matter the more people it may help as well. I find seeking to help another better understand these truths is very helpful to my own understanding too.

If you run into a problem then ask for help, somebody is usually around to give assistance.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote ---I'm still trying to understand the free will thing, it's much bigger than my mind will allow at this time.
--- End quote ---

Took me years to get it.

se7en:
Welcome Doug!

I love Rhy's reply....

"Freewill is a big one but I find now it is more difficult to believe I have it."

I know after studying more and asking questions you will get there too. It's a slap in the face at first but once God drags us through that we stand on the other side and look behind us, knowing that it was all Him.

Like Dennis was saying... I went crazy for about a year and a half grasping with this particular issue. Self-righteousness does not want to die... I understood what God was saying in my logical thinking and how Ray layed it out, it all made sense... but my heart had to catch up. It took time for it to really sink in. 

And still today, I'm having to catch myself... I'll get angry about something my wife says "God does not create evil", but then I have to take a step back and acknowledge that even those words she said, God is causing that. It's ALL HIS WORK!!!!

And then I remember, He's constantly working on me, and I love what He's doing :)     

I asked my wife the other day, "Can you live with me knowing that your husband believes that God creates good and evil and works both for good?"

I asked my wife this question, but really, I'm pointing the finger at myself. "Can I live with God creating and working good and evil, all for our good?"

And I answered: "Yes, Lord, I can live with you doing this in me and for me. Not my will, but yours be done. I couldn't even think this thought unless you caused it to happen in me."

Not only has it happened in my life already, it IS happening now, and continues to happen. I always want to be in that frame of mind. All is of God.

Doug:
se7en,

Your words were very helpful. I got the free will concept in a broad sense right away. What has been less clear is the extent of choices we make and what part is God's hand in our lives. I'm beginning to see our choices are really caused by God. Now you have opened my mind to all words and actions are from God. I want in my small mind to limit an all powerful God. It is a process but you have stated things in a way that is really starting to click with me. It is the most freeing and humbling experience anyone can have. Problems and worries seem to dissolve.

I appreciate everyone kind words. Yes Kat I've been lurking around for awhile. Long enough to start to know you guys or as much as possible thru the internet.

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