> General Discussions
Just need to vent how about you?
cjwood:
i found some Scripture that blows at the sand of the free-will myth, and also a stark reminder that no matter what we are each going through, it is ALL of God's doing. blowing away more sand from babylon's large dunes.
ecclesiastes 7:13-14 (james moffatt translation)
13. Ponder the doings of God: who can straighten what He twists? 14. In prosperous days enjoy yourself, but in evil days ponder this, that the one is the doing of God as well as the other -- all to keep man from knowing what is to happen.
claudia
rick:
Hi Claudia,
ecclesiastes 7:13-14 (james moffatt translation)
13. Ponder the doings of God: who can straighten what He twists? 14. In prosperous days enjoy yourself, but in evil days ponder this, that the one is the doing of God as well as the other -- all to keep man from knowing what is to happen.
A second witness
It’s not in man to direct his own footsteps.
I use to wonder what is God’s will for my life, what does God want me to do and how am I to know I’m doing what God wants me to do with certainty, I discovered I been doing God’s will all along the day I discovered I do not have free will and its not in man to direct his own footsteps.
As I start to understand God’s dealings with His creatures, life seems to make a little more sense to me and the gray areas of life start to disappear like the morning dew.
Every knee shall bend every tongue shall confess Jesus is Lord.
Thanks Claudia for that scripture.
Peace and love to all.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Rick on December 07, 2013, 07:51:16 AM --- Hi Pierdut
You said ( Why would I care about any of this if it were not about me and my life? ) I’m not sure about that statement, To me its about God and what He’s doing, in my life, God does not love me because I’m something special on my own but only because He chooses to love me.
The entire universe proceeds from our Creator, God does not need me, there is nothing I can possibly do for God, there is nothing I can give God, he owns the thousand cattle on the hill he owns everything.
Peace and love to all
--- End quote ---
God may not need any of us but He chose to give us existence because He wants sons and daughters that possess the character of their Heavenly Father. The reason why His will is totally sovereign over our lives is so He will have all He has purposed for us to come to pass.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 06, 2013, 03:50:08 PM ---
Here are a couple of emails, Ray had a way about explaining these things, that's why he was the teacher he was.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2510.0.html -----------
The subject of the Sovereignty of God (which by its nature completely demolishes any such thought as man having a will that is free to operate independently of God) is one of those unimaginably simple Truths that most can never wrap their mind around. I have explained it over and over and over and over, but few indeed could ever explain it.
The entire universe is under God's Sovereignty. NOTHING operates or works or functions or thinks or does ANYTHING independently of God and HIs Sovereignty. Therefore, from this fact, we know the following: [1] everthing that has ever happened was according to God's pre-ordained, foreknown plan and purpose. And we can look back and see what has happened realizing that all was in accord with that purpose, and [2] we can likewise know that everything that will yet happen will be according to God's pre-ordained, foreknown plan and purpose, but we CANNOT look forward and know what those things WILL BE; we can only seen what HAS BEEN.
Therefore you DON'T KNOW what God plans for your son in the immediate, intermediate, or long term future. Hence, if you want God to answer your prayers regarding your sons future, YOU WILL H-A-V-E TO PRAY!!
Don't try to second-guess God, now that you have a little spiritual knowledge. LIVE YOUR LIFE. Don't try to figure out things that you can or cannot do based on whether it may or may not be God's will for this or that. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD'S SPECIFIC WILL IS REGARDING THIS OR THAT, so don't try to live as though you do know. Since Phil. 4:4-7 is rather pathetic in the King James, I will read it from the Concordant Version.
"Be rejoicing in the Lord always! Again, I will declare, BE REJOICING! Let your lenience [moderation] be known to all men: the Lord is near. Do not worry about anything, but IN EVERYTHING, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, LET YOUR REQUESTS BE MADE KNOWN TO GOD [don't hold back by second-guessing God and thinking, 'what's the use?'] and the peace of God, that is superior to every frame of mind, shall be garrisoning your hearts and your apprehensions in Christ Jesus."
http://bible-truths.com/email14.htm -------------------------------
We choose all day long. God asks us to choose. The human brain has the ability to weigh data and make a choice. I nor the Scriptures deny this fact. What I AND THE SCRIPTURES do deny, is that man has the ability to make "UNCAUSED" choices. For that is what "free" will is all about--UNCAUSED choices, and I and the Scriptures both agree that this is a physiological impossibility.
If something always MAKES OR CAUSES you to choose what you do, then you and your data-processing-brain are not "free" or out of the realm of "causality" to do anything, BUT what a cause made you choose. You can say the cause forced, made or soften to influenced, or inspired, but the end result is always the same: ALL OF OUR CHOICES ARE INFLUENCED, INSPIRED, OR CAUSED to happen by billions of circumstances beyond our knowledge or control.
Therefore King Nebuchadnezar was CAUSED to see that it is God and God alone who rules in the kingdoms of individual men and corporate men. God said that it was HE, GOD, who CAUSED [MADE] the king of Assyria do the warring and slaughter that the king thought he himself had the ability to do.
Jesus said He could no NOTHING except what the Father gave Him to do AND TO EVEN SAY, and Jesus said that without Him, we also, CAN DO NOTHING.
Here is what the Scriptures say
"For it is GOD which works in you both TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Thank you for your input Kat. I think some of the posters come across as having the attitude of "Well I do what I do because I have no free will". I might be wrong. At any rate, I think that we should live our lives, as Paul said to the Phillipians, not worrying ABOUT ANYTHING--not even about the fact that we have no free will.
microlink:
--- Quote from: cjwood on December 17, 2013, 08:20:20 PM ---i found some Scripture that blows at the sand of the free-will myth, and also a stark reminder that no matter what we are each going through, it is ALL of God's doing. blowing away more sand from babylon's large dunes.
ecclesiastes 7:13-14 (james moffatt translation)
13. Ponder the doings of God: who can straighten what He twists? 14. In prosperous days enjoy yourself, but in evil days ponder this, that the one is the doing of God as well as the other -- all to keep man from knowing what is to happen.
claudia
--- End quote ---
Very well said and thanks for the scripture in Eccles.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version