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Just need to vent how about you?
DougE6:
" I believe Jesus is the savior of the world specially of those who believe so either way Jesus got me covered and Jesus made sure I come to understand this too. "
Jesus definitely is the saviour of all and the whole world> But is not the First Resurrection a prize to be sought for? Who wants to miss out on .... Speaking for myself I am REALLY happy that Jesus will save all but don't want to be merely covered, I don't want to miss out.
" Mat 16:26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Mat 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Jesus is electing some to sit on his throne with him where the second death has no power over. As Pauls says God is going to judge us according to what we have DONE
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal(age abiding) life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
I think one of the biggest tragedies would be at that day to say...wait wait I understood all the correct doctrine! I knew about no free will! I knew Jesus is the Saviour of all!
And then he says, Great! SO how did you demonstrate your love and obedience to me?
What will one say? I learned as much "truth" as I could but YET because I didn't feel motivated to do anything hard I did almost nothing and I pretty much was just waiting on you to do something through me and nothing every really happened so I didn't do anything.....
I wonder what the Lord's response will be.
I am only saying this to encourage people to try! It is NOT wrong to struggle to try to seek and to desire and to shed blood sweat and tears for this truth that you believe. If you love Him you will overcome. Jesus is coming back for overcomers.
rick:
Hi Doug
What you said sounds nice Doug but I see a lot of free will in it my brother, Its Jesus who determines who will be the elect, not us. Now having said that, the more we know on this side of the resurrection is a good thing and even that is of our Lords doing.
All must come to and accurate knowledge of God and its God who is going to do it all in us and not us.
I'm seeing the the beast for who and what he is and the beast loves to do it all does he not, you know what I mean, it says sit back Lord Jesus and let me show you how I can do this that and the other thing.
I can do nothing on my own except that which God gives me to do, nothing more nothing less.
No brother Doug it won't be a shame if I find at the resurrection if I'm in the second resurrection because that's where Jesus wanted me to be and if I'm in the first resurrection it's only because its where Christ wanted me to be but either way it was always of Him by Him and for Him.
Understanding we don't have free will or choice lets us understand all is of God but not by God my friend in Christ. And yes I have a long way to GO.
Doug, you said
I think one of the biggest tragedies would be at that day to say...wait wait I understood all the correct doctrine! I knew about no free will! I knew Jesus is the Saviour of all!
And then he says, Great! SO how did you demonstrate your love and obedience to me?
The above sounds like I have free will ,I don't have free will.
Doug, you said
What will one say? I learned as much "truth" as I could but YET because I didn't feel motivated to do anything hard I did almost nothing and I pretty much was just waiting on you to do something through me and nothing every really happened so I didn't do anything.....
The above sounds like I can go against Gods will, I can't
Doug, you said you wonder what the Lord's response will be.
I wonder what the Lord's response will be.
He won't be quoting Frank Sinatra's song that says ( I did it my way ) again I don't have free will or choice.
If my salvation depends on me doing just one thing I'm already lost whereas if my salvation depends on Christ I shall be saved ( Jesus Christ savior of the world especially those who believe ) Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of my faith not me, I can't even believe or have faith in Him except I be dragged to Him
Love and peace to all.
DougE6:
Hi Rick
I think maybe I can illustrate this way. If I go out and commit adultery, God forbid I should say...I am only doing what God caused me to do I have no say in the matter. If I feel like doing this tomorrow, with a really strong desire, resistance is futile. I might as well do it.
Perhaps one would be better served by saying, God I repent for the wickedness in me. Change me and cleanse me please. Help me to Oh God, I beg of you, with all that is in me to no longer do this terrible sin. I am hurting others, I am not doing the works of Christ, Christ would not commit adultery. I am doing the works of the flesh and the evil one. Help me to overcome!
Which is the correct attitude?
If your understanding of no free will leads you more into the first position and away from the second...I cannot see how your understanding is doing anything positive. It seems to be incredibly likely to lead one away from repentance.
I think killing the beast is God's work. Yes I agree there. But if you try to do God's work by insisting you know how God is going to change you and you are doing nothing until..adopting a complacent attitude like that, actually by default "testing God" by insisting that no good work gets done unless something happens without your active participation and blood sweat and tears...I think one is stopping the work of God in your heart in this life COLD.
The irony is that you will say, well if I never get victory or if I never do anything that simply means God is putting me on a non victorious shelf and I am consigned to the second death and will not participate in the First Resurrection. And that would probably be the correct judgement of oneself.
Dave in Tenn:
...But I say unto you, if a man even looks at a woman with lust, he has ALREADY committed adultery in his heart. Jesus Christ.
It is a weak, rebellious, or ignorant person who plans to go out and "do" a sin. But even with "strength", "humility" and "knowledge", he is incapable of changing his own heart.
I don't much care what a weak, rebellious, or ignorant person thinks of the gospel of the Kingdom and the Absolute Sovereignty of God. Just as I don't care about those who see the "absence of Hell" as an excuse to live it up. That is a heart which cannot even properly claim to be "converted".
Yes, there is overcoming to do...and not the least of which is the "overcoming" of this beast that sits on the throne in the place of God. Yes, we are to fight, but NOT AS boxers boxing the air. Yes, we are yoked together with Him, but it is HIS yoke He invites us to share, not OUR YOKE which He wants to direct. This life is less about living than it is about dying, at least this life IN CHRIST. It will come to everybody, each in his own turn...and it will come to those least "deserving" of it before it comes to many who think they "deserve" it. The Lake of Fire is in the presence of the Lamb. He is the race, and the prize.
Of the "speculation" concerning what we will say and what will be said in resurrection , don't forget to remember what actually DOES get said, according to scripture.
rick:
Hi Doug
You have me thinking now Doug and that's a good thing. Going to work now but I have somethings you said I can meditate on today and will give another reply later this evening. Thanks Doug and have a nice day my brother.
Believe me when I tell you I have a long long way to go.
Peace and love to all.
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