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rick:
Hi Dave
Dave , your statement ( "I've been benefitted from Scripture more by having it EXPLAIN my life to me, than by trying to "CONFORM" my life to it.)
when I had read your statement I had substituted the word spirit for explain and the word beast for conform.
That’s where it’s at for me, when the spirit ( explain ) does it in us, then the beast ( conform) works less in us, that’s the dying of the beast in us.
I’m seeing it much deeper than I’m saying it , I wish I were and articulate man so I could express my thoughts completely but you made the statement, I assume you know my meaning and the depth thereof .
I see God as completely sovereign in all things, nothing happens, that has not been ordained by God from the beginning .
God makes one vessel a vessel of honor and another vessel a vessel of dishonor and neither vessel has anything to do with what they shall be.
Every person be it a believer or non believer lives out their life with every deed and word given them by God through every circumstance they experience.
When Paul the apostle said with his mind he serves the law of God but with his flesh the law of sin, it really shows me the sovereignty of God in all things. I find sin to be a humbling thing in my life knowing I have not the ability to live up to the standards of God.
Sometimes I see a thread as a field with a bury treasure in it, known as truth. Jesus said if you know the truth it will set you free. I’m understanding for the first time in my life the freedom Christ was talking about was freedom from the beast deceiving me, thinking I am the ruler of my life, that I am sovereign.
Nothing takes God by surprise seeing where He knows the ends from the beginning because He ordained all things right down to the person who lights up a cigarette.
Just wanted you to know, I found a buried treasure ,thank you. :)
Peace and love to all. :)
Pierdut:
--- Quote from: Rick on December 08, 2013, 09:40:05 PM --- Hi Dave
Dave , your statement ( "I've been benefitted from Scripture more by having it EXPLAIN my life to me, than by trying to "CONFORM" my life to it.)
when I had read your statement I had substituted the word spirit for explain and the word beast for conform.
That’s where it’s at for me, when the spirit ( explain ) does it in us, then the beast ( conform) works less in us, that’s the dying of the beast in us.
I’m seeing it much deeper than I’m saying it , I wish I were and articulate man so I could express my thoughts completely but you made the statement, I assume you know my meaning and the depth thereof .
I see God as completely sovereign in all things, nothing happens, that has not been ordained by God from the beginning .
God makes one vessel a vessel of honor and another vessel a vessel of dishonor and neither vessel has anything to do with what they shall be.
Every person be it a believer or non believer lives out their life with every deed and word given them by God through every circumstance they experience.
When Paul the apostle said with his mind he serves the law of God but with his flesh the law of sin, it really shows me the sovereignty of God in all things. I find sin to be a humbling thing in my life knowing I have not the ability to live up to the standards of God.
Sometimes I see a thread as a field with a bury treasure in it, known as truth. Jesus said if you know the truth it will set you free. I’m understanding for the first time in my life the freedom Christ was talking about was freedom from the beast deceiving me, thinking I am the ruler of my life, that I am sovereign.
Nothing takes God by surprise seeing where He knows the ends from the beginning because He ordained all things right down to the person who lights up a cigarette.
Just wanted you to know, I found a buried treasure ,thank you. :)
Peace and love to all. :)
--- End quote ---
Rick, if it really is like that, then every failure in my life, every disappointment, everything that I wish would have gone another way could not have. So my life could not have been any different; everything was inevitable. And I am referring here to the bad stuff as no one wishes the good that they've experienced to not come about.
I am not sure that it is like that though. I was convinced at one point, but if that really is the case then I can't blame only myself, because it couldn't have been avoided. And that would also mean that my life will continue to be miserable with no hope of breaking-free from it.
What I can't make sense of is why would God lead me to see these things if I'm just a 'vessel of dishonor' created to live a horrible life?
Maybe we do have multiple paths in life, and I kept making the wrong choices? I just find it so unfair that something I wish could have been different could not have been, but was inevitable. Then that leads to other questions.
Ray said that even a person that commits suicide was destined to do so because of the circumstances that lead to it -- it couldn't have been prevented. So that was that person's lot in life. Seems so unfair. Some have it good, others bad, and that it was God who predetermined what kind of a life each person would have, without the unlucky ones being able to do anything about it.
Pierdut:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 07, 2013, 08:03:31 PM ---Pierdut, conversion is such a painful process. I can't be 100% sure "this" is your time, but since I believe it happens to everybody, and that you aren't "here" by accident, it may well be. One day the scales will tip and what is easy now will become more difficult and what is difficult now will become more easy.
--- End quote ---
Dave, I understand what you're saying, and I don't know if what I'm going through is my "conversion," but it is very painful. It is also like a tug of war; one day I feel closer to God; I pray and try to do better. Stop doing some bad things, start doing some good things. Then I utterly fail and go back to doing bad things again. And with me it's even thoughts in my head, or cruel words I say. Shouldn't "conversion" be like a one direction thing, instead of all this back and forth? I honestly don't know.
If what Ray taught is true, then everything that is happening is according to God's preordained purpose and plan. And the outcome too is already determined -- whichever way it will go.
I need to think deeply about these things, as I'm not so sure that it is quite like that anymore.
Kat:
Pierdut, you are only looking at how things have come to be to this point... you do not know what is yet to come for you are anybody else. The thing is I believe we are only in the first stages of God's plan... how can you judge God as "unfair" when you do not know what is yet to come?
Even if a person's life ends in this age as a vessel of dishonor, you do not know what God has already prepared for the ages to come. Judgment yes, but that is for correcting and cleansing... what about beyond that? Could it be that the more one suffers now, the more joy one may eventually feel later? Perhaps, and we certainly cannot limit God or think that this experience of good and evil does not have a good purpose.
You have reached a low point and beginning to realize man (you, me, everybody) is carnal and incapable of good, and to weak to resist sin. This hopefully is an end, of sorts, of this "old man."
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
Eph 4:22 For you ought to put off the old man (according to your way of living before) who is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
v. 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind.
We all need that dark backdrop/experience of trying to do good and failing, now that you know you can't save yourself God can show you the way of righteousness... why would you resist this, you do not know what your destiny is. This is a process, change can happen degree by degree, a little at a time. We may not even notice we are growing till we look back one day and realize how much we have.
Hosea 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground. For it is time to seek Jehovah, until He comes and rains righteousness on you.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
arion:
--- Quote from: Pierdut on December 09, 2013, 09:19:26 PM ---
Maybe we do have multiple paths in life, and I kept making the wrong choices? I just find it so unfair that something I wish could have been different could not have been, but was inevitable. Then that leads to other questions.
--- End quote ---
I can identify with that. I was always aware of this scripture:
Rom 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
But, at the same time I know that my sins separate me from God. I thought that although the above scripture is true that there was yet one exception. The exception being that if I so something wrong or miss God in the process that I could separate myself from the love of God, thereby putting the emphasis on me doing it right.
What a wonderful revelation to understand that I don't have that power. Nothing can separate me from the love of God and that includes myself and my own stupid choice that I make. Your not going to miss God in the process and coming to the understanding that not even YOU can get in the way of his plan for you is pretty freeing. Everything is happening for a purpose and a reason and you are right on time and where God wants you to be in the process. Once you get that understanding it takes the pressure off of you, Gods timing in your life can't be derailed.....NOT EVEN BY YOU!!
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