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All Things to All Men
Dennis Vogel:
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--- Quote from: largeli on November 12, 2013, 08:59:18 AM ---Perhaps being all things to all men is another way of saying we should have empathy with all people in all kinds of different situations, because we understand that we are really no different than others to begin with.
Like instead of judging a man for his life we can have empathy because we know that if we were in his shoes, having lived life through his eyes and his steps, we would be exactly where he is because he (nor us) has free will.
I dunno?
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Thank you. I think people like John from Kentucky need to take that into consideration when judging others, and as Ray said in one of his audios, "We are all guilty of all." If you think you are better than someone because you had it better [due to God's mercy and grace, and plan for your life which was, better, and thus you were lucky] then I reckon that such a person deserves to experience some of those bad things that they like to judge [and belittle] others for. See if they handle it any differently/better.
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I agree, but it does this forum no good to single out individuals for criticism.
Hopefully John from Kentucky will not react to your lack of common sense.
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How do you figure 'lack of common sense'? I resent that remark.
I may be a horrible sinner, perhaps even wicked, but I'm not stupid.
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Common sense would dictate that John from Kentucky would not take your words about him kindly and would feel the need to reply in a like manner, which in turn would invoke another response from you, etc. etc.
It would have been best to leave John from Kentucky's name out of this.
Pierdut:
--- Quote from: Craig on November 14, 2013, 05:33:38 AM ---I don't believe Dennis was calling anyone stupid. But your post reminds me of a saying I heard from a wise man;
"Stupid is as Stupid does"
~Forrest Gump~
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If you look up the definition of "stupid" it is "lacking intelligence or common sense." I lack neither. And now you're calling me "stupid." Whatever, I'll bite my tongue and not respond in kind. If I were "stupid" I'd also be ignorant, and I'd probably have an easier time of things; as they say "Ignorance is bliss."
Pierdut:
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--- Quote from: Pierdut on November 13, 2013, 11:19:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on November 13, 2013, 06:52:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pierdut on November 12, 2013, 10:03:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on November 12, 2013, 08:59:18 AM ---Perhaps being all things to all men is another way of saying we should have empathy with all people in all kinds of different situations, because we understand that we are really no different than others to begin with.
Like instead of judging a man for his life we can have empathy because we know that if we were in his shoes, having lived life through his eyes and his steps, we would be exactly where he is because he (nor us) has free will.
I dunno?
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Thank you. I think people like John from Kentucky need to take that into consideration when judging others, and as Ray said in one of his audios, "We are all guilty of all." If you think you are better than someone because you had it better [due to God's mercy and grace, and plan for your life which was, better, and thus you were lucky] then I reckon that such a person deserves to experience some of those bad things that they like to judge [and belittle] others for. See if they handle it any differently/better.
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I agree, but it does this forum no good to single out individuals for criticism.
Hopefully John from Kentucky will not react to your lack of common sense.
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How do you figure 'lack of common sense'? I resent that remark.
I may be a horrible sinner, perhaps even wicked, but I'm not stupid.
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Common sense would dictate that John from Kentucky would not take your words about him kindly and would feel the need to reply in a like manner, which in turn would invoke another response from you, etc. etc.
It would have been best to leave John from Kentucky's name out of this.
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Well duh. Tell me something I don't know. But hey, he opened that can of worms. You're the one that wants him not to respond, not I. I don't care if he does or not, I said what I had to say, regardless of whether or not he responds.
indianabob:
If you will note Cor 9:20 you will see that Paul was back in Jerusalem and dealing with the 12 apostles and the Jewish members there who were still teaching the need to obey the law of the Temple. They were observing all the old traditions Sabbath, animal sacrifices, the holy days and even circumcision whereas Paul was teaching that these observances of the "law were no longer necessary to be a follower of Jesus, such as were the Gentiles of Corinth.
So Paul refrained from going back to the headquarters church and scolding them for not taking advantage of the liberty he and his followers had with the grace of Christ. He went humbly to them patiently waiting for the appropriate time to correct them when the spirit of God indicated it was right.
--- Quote from: HoneyLamb56 on November 12, 2013, 08:29:40 AM ---Having a mental block; not really grasping what this means: "all things to all men" (Cor. 9:22). I did a search on this phrase but only one response which wasn't very helpful to me.
It would be helpful if someone could give an example other than what's written in the bible or perhaps explain it in a different way. What does it mean to me?
For example: how do I become as a Jew if one is not a Jew without denying my christian (for lack of better word) beliefs? I'm probably not articulating very well but I hope someone gets what I'm trying to say.
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santgem:
For those still don't know who the Jews and gentiles are.
[Ray answers an email about Who Are the Jews and Gentiles]
Adam was NOT a Jew, Abraham was NOT a Jew, but he was an Hebrew, Hebrews are NOT Jews, Gentiles are NOT descendant from Jews or Israel, Jesus, Peter, and Paul WERE Jews.
First there was Adam and Eve. They and their descendants were not called Jews or Gentiles.
After the flood we have but three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japeth. Shem [Hebrew is "SM," no vowels in Hebrew writing, plus "ith" a feminine ending = SM-ith or Smith, just threw that in for fun).
Shem's linage goes like this: Shem begat Arphaxad, who begat Salah, who begat Eber. Eber or Heber is the forefather of all HEBREWS.
Eber (or Heber the Hebrew) then begat Peleg who begat Reu, who begat Serug, who begat Nahor, who begat Terrah and Terah begat Abram whose name God changed to Abraham (Gen. 17:5).
So far we can see that Abraham was of the line of Eber/Heber, and is IS a Hebrew, but He is NOT a Jew, because as of this time there were still NO Jews in the world.
Abram (whose name God changed to Abraham) begat Isaac. Isaac, therefore, too was an Hebrew from the line of Eber/Heber, the Hebrew.
Next Isaac's wife Rebekah had twins: Esau and Jacob (Gen. 25:19-26). And so Esau and Jacob were also Hebrews, but not Jews or Gentiles, because NO ONE at this time in History was called a Jew or a Gentile.
Next Jacob's name was changed by God to the name Israel (Gen. 32:28).
Now we come to Jacob's children and descendants: Jacob/Israel had TWELVE sons (Gen. 35:22), and here they are (by different wives, however): Reuben, Simeon, Levi (whose descendants became the Levital Priests in Moses' time), Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher--twelve in all.
Ah, did you notice "Judah" in there? Now we have come to THE VERY FIRST JEW IN HISTORY. Judah's name was never changed, however, his descendants became known as "JEWS"--sort of a nickname.
In Gen. 46:8, we read that all of Israel's (former 'Jacob') sons are called: "The CHILDREN of Israel." And so ALL of the millions of descendants of Jacob/Israel are called the CHILDREN of Israel. You will see this term "CHILDREN of Israel" repeated hundreds of times, and now you will know exactly who they are and where they came from.
After the CHILDREN of Israel came out of slavery in Egypt, it became customary to refer nations other than the nation of Israel as "goy." This term merely mean "the OTHER nations." And so broadly speaking, there are Israel/Israelites/nation of Israel, and the OTHER nations that are NOT descendant from the children of Israel. They were usually called "Gentiles."
The Levitical priests came from Israel's son, Levi.
Kind David was a Jew of the tribe of Judah.
Jesus Christ came from Israel's son, Judah.
The Apostle Paul came from Israel's son, Benjamin.
And so before Abraham/Isaac's son, Jacob, there was not such thing as "Israel or Jews." Jacob was the father of ALL Israelites, and the father of ALL Jews. Hence all Jews are Israelites because they came from Jacob/Israel, but not all Israelites are Jews, because only ONE of the twelve children gave birth to all Jews. In the same way that all Floridians are Americans, but not all Americans are Floridians.
Interestingly, the descendants of Eber/Heber/Hebrew are not know as 'Hebrews' in today's world, but are thought to be Gentiles. Today's 'Jews' of Los Angeles, New York and the State of Israel may be a combination of original Jews, Israelite, Hebrews, and some may even be Gentiles and they just don't know it, since all those who practice the religion of Judaism are known as "Jews" regardless of their racial heritage.
Every since Jesus began to build His Church, mostly Gentiles have been called into this Church, with only a small remnant of Jews. But God reckons all Gentiles who are following his spiritual laws to be Spiritual Jews (Rom. 2:27-29) and Spiritual Israel (Gal. 6:16). Paul told the Gentile Philippians that, "WE (including these Gentile Philippian converts) ARE THE CIRCUMCISION (Phil. 3:2). Therefore (we spiritually circumcised and spiritually baptized Gentiles), "...if ye be Christ's, then are ye ABRAHAM'S SEED, and HEIRS according to the promise" (The promise given to Abraham that he would become a great company of nations). (Gal. 3:29). These physical Gentile Galatians as well as WE, becomes accounted as Abraham's Seed, if we obey God in faith as the "father of the faithful, Abraham" did.
Today the remaining descendants of Israel (the eleven tribes other than Judah--the Jews) are known as "The LOST Tribes of Israel," as most historians do now know where they went. I have some pretty solid historical knowledge as to where they did move and who these Tribles or Children of Israel are today.
Hope this helps your understanding.
Ray
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