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we celebrate / mourn a man's life
loretta:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 06, 2013, 09:02:41 PM ---Thankfully, I don't need all my heroes to be "good". Men are judged according to their works, whether those works are good or bad. WORKS are good and bad. Men are neither. They are just vessels.
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True Dave. In 1996 Mandela promoted and signed into law the ‘Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Bill’ that, according to the New York Times, ‘replaced one of the world’s toughest abortion laws with one of the most liberal.’''
Rene:
No man is worthy to be praised. Even those who do "good works" are also very capable of doing "not so good works" as well. :-\
René
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Rene on December 10, 2013, 08:24:05 AM ---No man is worthy to be praised. Even those who do "good works" are also very capable of doing "not so good works" as well. :-\
René
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Bingo. Totally agree. 8)
Dave in Tenn:
HERO is a literary term. When a man lives 95 years and goes through fundamental changes in an active and involved life under circumstances that promote that change, he has led an "heroic" life. I don't and can't follow him, just as I don't and can't follow any man. I'm stuck being me, and I'm in my own circumstance. Sorry, but you can't be "here" either, not that anybody would want to be. :D
Mandela was at one time a bomb-planting terrorist/freedom-fighter. He didn't die that way. He was a politician, but he left office after one term. There was an arc to his life that I find inspiring and commendable, regardless of his politics or opinions. There are so few, I think I will keep this one no matter what anybody says. :)
Our Apostle Paul is another example of HERO...it's just that he's in the bible. I don't whitewash his errors--he certainly didn't--but there is a sense that I "follow" him, especially since I see him as the the first really historically fleshed-out one of "us". Though the bible is pretty scant on "biography" in general, there's barely a man or woman in there that doesn't have the "bad" side of their works and character in their story.
loretta:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 12, 2013, 05:43:08 PM ---Our Apostle Paul is another example of HERO...it's just that he's in the bible. I don't whitewash his errors--he certainly didn't--but there is a sense that I "follow" him, especially since I see him as the the first really historically fleshed-out one of "us". Though the bible is pretty scant on "biography" in general, there's barely a man or woman in there that doesn't have the "bad" side of their works and character in their story.
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Well said, Dave.
I've heard critics in Christendom say that pastors/leaders don't have the courage to say as Paul did, Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1 Cor 11:1 because that they knew their lives were not worthy (which is an understatment :) ). But if Paul could say that inspite of knowing his faults, can we do likewise?
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