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theophilus:
Hello Loverly, the reason we all "get it" as you call it, it's because God has opened our eyes to these truths. Not one of us is able to convince anyone about these truths. I have tried many times! Only God Himself can do it. I've even talked to pastors; they don't get it either. Have a great day.
Loverly:
Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Loverly on December 25, 2013, 12:36:56 AM ---Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
--- End quote ---
Shouldn't you unfriend her on Facebook? Might be for the better. According to what you say, she seems to have a very messed up theology.
I left an Assemblies of God congregation when the good pastor, during his sermon, said that if we couldn't convert the Arabs, that we should bomb them! Talk about loving your enemy! His words felt like someone had emptied a bucket full of very cold water over me. I got up and left and never went back.
Some girl I befriended on Facebook admitted to me that she believes that God has an army, and that army is the US Army. So, God is battling His enemies through the US of A! That it is okay for US soldiers to kill those who oppose Christianity because they are being led by Satan. What a deception!!! She told me she would never unfriend me or block me; but I had to block her.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Loverly on December 25, 2013, 12:36:56 AM ---Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
--- End quote ---
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
I suggest you stop picking apart your mothers lies. It's impossible for her to understand. Most likely she will NEVER get it in this life.
And the "picking apart" is harming you:
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Eventually you will see that your mother was not able to pick her parents either. She is what God made and what she is drove you to the truth.
If you really want to be that little girl who is "set free" be as kind as you can to your mother:
Pro 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
Pro 25:22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
1Ti 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
Loverly:
Dennis,
I agree with you. Thing is I do believe bringing abuse and abusive words to the light and not just ignoring abusive behavior and brushing it under the rug every time. I lived an entire life like that in their control. This is called "shooshing". Even King David "shooshed" Tamar. it's wrong.
Now, we walk in truth and love. I've always been the weak link/youngest or the scapegoat of the family of 4. So now I have stepped down from this (as well as all traditions and beliefs) and the people are furious. I don't at all feel a need to contribute, be controlled emotionally or spiritually, or participate in their addictions in any way to love them or respect them but they can't separate the two. They want idolatry and bowing down to them and nothing less will do.
If I allow this then I'm a liar as well and an idolater.
When sociopathic manipulators loose control of a person (especially and adult child) it isn't pretty.
Usually, it's best not to have any contact with them at all and I have had very little in the past 4 years, but this time I wanted a typed record of the conversation so I can print it out because this is the same conversation we have over and over again every 6 months when they want control back.
Once they loose control they try every tactic in the book to get it back. I wanted record of it so if there is a next time I don't have to get back on the merry go round again....if that makes sense.
Thanks for the encouragement!
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