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rick:
Does God know the beginnings from the end because God has this awesome ability to see into the future and knows what six billion people on earth today will do with their free will and what will take place with there free choice ?


Or does God know the ends from the beginnings because He has predestine everything that was, is and will be ?

Peace and love to all.  :)

cjwood:
i think the answer is in both of your scenarios rick.  simple and short answer is God knows.

claudia

lareli:
Is God sovereign... or just psychic?

I think the 1st scenerio is what most of christendom teaches. God didnt want Adam and Eve to sin. He knew it would happen but didnt control it so as not to infringe on mans free will.

rick:
Ray had spoke about us not having free will or even limited free will, we all have a will but our will is always subjected to Gods will which I agree with Ray because as you know, Ray always used scripture to prove to his audience, the truth God has given to him.

I’m thinking that a play writer who writes a play can tell anyone how long the play will last, ( the apostles ask Christ when the end will come, and Jesus said, only the Father knows ) the play writer if you will. 

 The play writer can tell anyone every word that will be spoken from the beginning to the end of the play, thus, the play writer knows the ends from the beginnings.

The play writer wrote out every action or deed in the play, so the play writer knows the ends from the beginning within the parameters of the play as he is the writer of it.

I’m seeing God as the greatest play writer in the universe and every person that ever was, is, or will be has their script or role to play out in Gods play, the greatest play in the universe.

If God is sovereign, which He is, then I cannot be sovereign, or if I see myself as sovereign it can only be the beast within me deceiving me.

Today I looked up and saw three birds flying overhead directly above me, I asked myself are these three birds flying overhead by chance or were they ordained to be there?

If its God’s will that I’m to experience good and evil in this life , then God has to bring both of these experiences to me. If I have free will then I would used that free will to elude evil but gravitate towards good only.

Again, if I have free will then good or evil coming my way would be by chance and therefor miss out on what God had intended for me to learn.

God is sovereign however and has left nothing up to chance in anyone’s life from what I understand from Ray’s writings.

Are you, the reader of this thread getting this understanding from Rays writing also ?  :-\


Peace and love to all.  :)

Kat:

Hi Rick, I see what you are saying and I that is pretty much how I see it too.

To me God's Sovereignty doesn't just mean He has the power to control everything, but that He is the power by which everything can exist. Every breath we take is not just because He allows it, but He bestows it to us.

Absolutely everything there is continues to operate as it does because He provides whatever is needed for it to. Without God there is nothing!

Acts 17:28  For in Him we live and move and have our being...

Col 1:17  And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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