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acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: Rick on January 05, 2014, 08:22:14 PM ---
It seems to me we are all puppets and we have no control over anything in our lives. We cannot make one uncaused choice.
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What about rather that puppets, we say that we are like very sophisticated androids with the best on future artificial intelligence; processing data, comparing data, learning from experience, testing pleasure and pain...?
--- Quote from: Lark on January 05, 2014, 03:24:56 PM ---So i was looking through these " Christian" music singers, and i saw that there is an award ceremony for christian's. For one saying you are helping the public by spreading the word of Jesus through music you charge people for..... that really bugs me, last time i read my bible i don't remember Jesus selling tickets to his huge sermons. How are you selling love? Second of all when you hold an award ceremony you are celebrating your glory and your own talent NOT God.
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Well said...
honestly, church music kind of bothers me sometimes. Comercial christian music is the best advertising tool for churches. Music by it self is all about manipulating emotions, imagine saying that your music is actually DIVINELY INSPIRED, How can anyone rid himself of such 'packages full of heavy emotions' when concentrated full on those coldplay style worship songs?, really, it's cheaper than drugs. It's the best most powerful propaganda in history. You can argue against a sermon, but who can argue against such beautiful songs?
On the other side, I don't judge brothers who still like listening christian music since they can put their own meanings and context to the music and therefore it doesn't bother them. A few time ago a friend I have put some christian music (with good taste and in a language that I don't understand) on my computer and I don't mind listening to it. In my case spanish comercial christian music bothers me the most, because I think that they take the name of Jesus in vain.
I also have a good friend who knows about this truths that sometimes compose tranquil good quality music (non for any profit) inspired on his spiritual journey.
Max:
Completely agree. Reminds me of the story of Jesus turning tables and chasing the traders out of the temple. I do enjoy helping people and doing nice things, but I have to remember that verse when I do it because the temptation is always there to make it so everyone sees my good work and praises me for it. Gotta remember that the rewards are much greater in the ages to come.
rick:
Those sophisticated androids phones can only do what it's programed to do Moises , that was my point, look, we are puppets, I don't feel like a puppet but if one wants to think God is not pulling every string its their prerogative that God gave them, LOL
People are going to do what people do, why criticize anyone as we know all is of God but not always by God but God intended that what happens to happen.
Everything that happens under the sun, be it good or evil, is for our learning, if everyone did only good and did the right thing all the time, then where does being made in the image of God come into play without and experience of evil ?
Religion from what I see and what Ray said is all about ( MONEY ) please do send in your love offering is all you hear from them but its ordained to be that way.
Why did I learn that hell is a hoax at B.T. yet all the years I spent in Christendom I believed in hell ? It was ordained to be like, I thought I was doing the right thing going to church right, but then I find out God says come out of her my people.
Its amazing how much I learned here in such a short time compared to all the years I spent from child hood up, you know, going to Sunday school....I think they called that C.C.D. LOL then all the time I spent going to church only to find out I should of stayed in bed Sunday mornings.
Yet it was all in the plan of God for me to experience all these things as it is for everyone else too.
So my main point is simply wickedness and evil is also in Gods plan in making us in His image.
So why should we complain ? How can I learn to forgive, if no one ever offends me ?
In short we need wrong doers in this life if you think about it. ::)
Peace and love to all. :)
acomplishedartis:
Hi Rick,
I was not contradicting you, I was only trying to give better choice of words, I actually agree on what you are saying. Also I would congratulate you for your conclusions and how you share them, I am sure it also helps you as much as it can be able to hopefully help others reading.
I got this idea from an old post on the same subject:
--- Quote from: HopeinChrist480 on May 25, 2011, 07:31:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: daywalker on May 25, 2011, 06:24:07 PM ---
Not puppets.... Clay. Clay in the Potter's Hands. :D
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I forgot all about that word. I'm not sure why. Totally slipped my mind. I suppose that's a better term since it's based off of Scripture. Same concept and that doesn't take away from the fact that it's God that wills in us.
:D
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When I said androids I was referring to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Robot
However, I think I still like better the comparison with Clay since we are being molded into something beautiful and very meaningful.
Craig:
Rick I don't like seeing the word "Puppet" as it pertains to the sovereignty of God and our place in it. When you are done playing with a puppet you put them down and they are lifeless and thoughtless, we are not.
Ray did not like that term either.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2771.msg20557.html#msg20557
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4167.msg31848.html#msg31848
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7895.msg63024.html#msg63024
When I started seeing the truth of free will I used that term often myself, but we are way more than "puppets" we make choices, our choices never go against our will, God does not ever make us sin we do it voluntarily, it is in our nature. But when we learn, we are being molded in the image of God. He does this by making us students in the most detailed and planned curriculum in the universe.
We are not "puppets" we are children of the Most High, and being taught in such a way as we cannot drop out and we all will graduate top of the class, though we will graduate at different times. When we graduate and become all in all with God, we will be on our own; operating in the complete, righteous will of God, our will will be 100% that of Gods.
Craig
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