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Kat:
Hi Walt,
Well I'm rethinking the idea the Jesus was speaking of the end time in Matt 24 when He said "unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved." I really think He was answering 2 separate questions in that chapter, that the disciples asks thinking it was the same thing.
Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? (He had just spoke of the destruction of the Temple in verse 2) And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
I think that the disciples considered that the destruction of the Temple, would have to mean the end of the age. The Temple was extremely central to all the Jews held dear and the thought of it destroyed was probably almost unthinkable to the mind of a Jew and of course that would have applied to the disciples too.
But Jesus Christ knew that the destruction of the temple would happen many centuries before the end of the age and His return, therefore He answered so as to put it in proper perspective/order, but of course it was still put in a way to keep it obscure, as so many things are. Jesus answered the first question telling them of the horrible attack that was to come on Jerusalem (and destroy the Temple), warning them and those believers that would still be living there to flee at the first sight of the army.
I do not believe Jesus spoke about the end of the age until verse 29 and that's where He began to gave them the answer to the second part of the question they ask, "what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Briefly, what I think is we are told in that chapter and assumed for so long that He was speaking about the end of the age through the whole chapter, but is there really going to be great turmoil at the end of the age? Here is what Jesus said.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
v. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
v. 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Though Noah had warned them of coming destruction for 100 years, they did not believe him, and when it actually was about to come they still were just going about busy as normal until "it took them all away." That's what Jesus said happened then and will also happen at the end of the age, He will appear when nobody is expecting Him, "like a thief in the night."
Think about it the church says there will be a 'great tribulation' just before Christ returns, that would be a warning His return was near, they are deceived. Christ spoke those things in chapter 24 in a way that confuses the world and has concealed the true meaning about His return to this very day. Anyway just wanted to give a different perspective to think about or rethink perhaps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Joel:
I think that often times the scales are equally balanced good on one side and evil on the other.
Or evil trying to be up to par with the good spiritual side.
I prefer to believe that the increase of Knowledge in Daniel 12:4 is of a good understanding of some of the Truths of God that are available here today.
Many are running to and fro, few are really truly grounded and unmovable.
Joel
Dave in Tenn:
Joel, I just spent a good half hour reading the emails section. "Running to and fro" is as good a description of the range of questions/debates as I could come up with. Ray didn't say for no reason: Once you have a Spiritual Truth, hang onto it with all you have. Even casually reading the bible (even casually reading the Forum) can make the un-grounded "Blow about with every wind of doctrine."
zvezda:
--- Quote ---I do not believe Jesus spoke about the end of the age until verse 29
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat, I think verse 14 is also about the end of the age.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
As for Matt 24:21-22 and Mark 13:19-20, is Daniel 12:1-2 the third witness?
first witness -
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
second witness -
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
third witness -
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
I think Dan 12:1-2 is about the end of the age, if that's correct and if it's the third witness, then the 1st and 2nd witnesses should be about the end of the age too.
Craig:
I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older. Then, it dawned on me, they were cramming for their finals. As for me, I'm just hoping God grades on the curve.
Craig
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