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Suspicions about the very great evil in Churches
arion:
Ray had mentioned it in one of his papers that some of the most superstitious people in the world are in the church system. I was in that for awhile early in my walk with the 'positive confession' nonsense. It got to the point that if I was sick I could never even say so because you possess what you confess. So there I would be sicker than a dog and confessing that I was at the pinnacle of health. And then there are believers that are preoccupied with demonology and satan. Everything that happens to them is satan attacking them and they would never voice anything because satan would overhear them, ect. But, you have to be in 'her' in order to come out of her. No wonder the non-believers look at the 'church' and shake their heads in amazement. What a spectacle!! :P
Dave in Tenn:
Can't help but agree with all your points. Though some are worse than others in some ways, when they are truly honest, a 'worship experience' IS thought out and performed to manipulate emotions...and if you don't 'feel' it, then you just aren't very godly, are you?
What did Jesus say?
Luk 7:31-35 To whom, then, shall I be likening the men of this generation, and to whom are they like? Like are they to little boys and girls sitting in the market and shouting to one another and saying, 'We flute to you and you do not dance! We wail to you and you do not lament!'"
For come has John the baptist, neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you are saying, 'A demon has he!'" Come has the Son of Mankind, eating and drinking, and you are saying, "'Lo! a man gluttonous and a tippler, a friend of tribute collectors and sinners!'" And justified was Wisdom by all her children."
Rejoice with those who rejoice and mourn with those who mourn, Paul said.
And what if it were only some doctrinal errors? The worst "doctrinal errors" believed the strongest lead to the greatest evils, whether suffered by the 'believer' or perpetrated by them.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Moises G. on January 26, 2014, 08:55:36 PM ---
If somebody thinks my suspicions are way out of line, let me know. If somebody think alike and know more about some point I have mentioned and would like to confirm my suspicious, let me know. If somebody would like to add to the list... just do it.
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I wouldnt say your suspicions are way out of line but I will say that they dont apply to all churches. I go to a church that is a bunch of well intentioned people who, I believe, are just following the beliefs and traditions as they've been handed down. I honestly dont think many people in my church have ever even thought to ask an interesting question regarding contradictions in what they believe. I think they've been brain washed (as we ALL have been at one time) to think that if they just believe and dont question, then that is evidence of their strong faith. But I wouldnt say theres any satanic occult, magic, or trickery going on... Just ignorance and lazy thinking/reasoning and fear of doubting the institution. We've all been there.
rick:
Hi Mosies,
Its like Ray said ( have the churches gotten any better in the last two thousands year? No, they gotten worst.
Churches are the synagogue of Satan, they were in Christ day and they are also in our day. If Jesus went into any church today He would not be any more excepted today as He was back in His day.
If I were to teach in any church what I learned here at B. T. Would I be excepted or rejected ? I think you know the answer. ???
Its like Isaiah said , But Lord who has believed our report? Certainly not those in Christendom . :(
So all the things you mentioned most likely are true and probably even worst than one could imagine. ::)
But the Good news is, its all in the plan of God and what ever is going on in the churches today I / we are not apart of and that be of God and not ourselves.
Peace and Love to all. :)
rick:
--- Quote from: largeli on January 27, 2014, 03:11:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Moises G. on January 26, 2014, 08:55:36 PM ---
If somebody thinks my suspicions are way out of line, let me know. If somebody think alike and know more about some point I have mentioned and would like to confirm my suspicious, let me know. If somebody would like to add to the list... just do it.
--- End quote ---
I wouldnt say your suspicions are way out of line but I will say that they dont apply to all churches. I go to a church that is a bunch of well intentioned people who, I believe, are just following the beliefs and traditions as they've been handed down.[/color]
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Hi Largeli,
I agree with your statement, when I used to attend church services, I was not involved in those things Mosies mentioned , I doubt most parishioner are involved either, most believe they are worshiping God , I believed I was worshiping God but I was not worshiping God in spirit and in truth, I know that now but not then at that time.
It is my belief that what Mosies is talking about most likely would be and internal thing going on with the hierarchy and most likely not all churches either.
I believe all those in Christendom do not worship in spirit and in truth because they are not being taught truth and that is no fault of their own either.
I do believe there is much fraud and greed going on in most churches, and any church that is telling folks good people go to heaven and bad folks go to hell have no truth in them at all.
Peace and love to all.
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