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Nelson:
Hi guys

There is a verse in ecclesiastes 7:16-17.What is going on in this verse?NIV uses words like 'overwicked'.How can one be overwicked?Does that mean we can be wicked(Don't believe so)?what examples can one give for being overrighteous?

Another verse is ecclesiastes 7:29-'This only have i found:God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes'(NIV).Is this verse correctly traslated?Did God really make us upright(he made us spiritually weak)?

ecclesiastes 3:21-'who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth'?Does anyone have an idea what this verse is all about?

acomplishedartis:
Hi Nelson!

Do not be abundantly self-righteous, And do not be thinking yourself superlatively wise; Why should you make yourself desolate? (Ec. 7:16-17 - Concordant)


I always thought this have to do with self perspective. Like not thinking more of our selves than we should (be humble).
The last question reminds me how is it that when someone try to do things the RIGHT way, he often finds opposition, scoffing, or new enemies...

Or
like when someone intends and think to be able to do too much, but then he doesn't have the means, the capacity or the guts to do what he started,

Luk 14:28-30  For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?  Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

Dave in Tenn:
What a great passage!  Here it is from the Emphasised Bible:

Ecc 7:15  Everything, had I seen, in my days of vanity, - Here was a righteous man, perishing in his righteousness, and there was a lawless man, continuing long in his wickedness.
Ecc 7:16  Do not become so very righteous, neither count thyself wise beyond measure, - wherefore shouldst thou destroy thyself?
Ecc 7:17  Do not be so very lawless, neither become thou foolish, - wherefore shouldst thou die, before thy time?
Ecc 7:18  It is well that thou shouldst lay fast hold of this, but, even from the other, do not withdraw thy hand, - for, he that revereth God, shall come forth out of them all.
Ecc 7:19  Wisdom, bringeth more strength to a wise man, than ten heroes, that are in the city.
Ecc 7:20  For, as for men, there is none righteous in the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecc 7:21  Moreover, not to all the words which men speak, do thou apply thy heart, - lest thou hear thine own servant reviling thee!
Ecc 7:22  For truly, many times, thy heart knoweth, - that, even thou thyself, hast reviled others.

Dave in Tenn:
There are loads of places in Scripture where a man or woman is called "righteous", or just, or upright or wise.  In the absolute sense, we all fall short.  But if there is no contrast in the relative sense, then we have nothing to look forward to.

The Lord Jesus was an example of someone who was not "over-righteous much".  They hated Him for it.  He also spoke volumes about being "over-righteous much".  Remember what he said to the Pharisees...you tithe of mint and cummin yet you leave out the weightier matters..." and "you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel."

And I think the "preacher" nailed it in the last bit.  I think we come to know when we are being "over-righteous much" when 'many times our hearts know that even we ourselves have reviled others.'

rickylittleton:
To put it in a nutshell, there are people that are so {most-holier-than-thou}, that some time I think that even
God don't want to see them coming. Most of these people are just overzealous about their religion. And then there are some people that are so wicked, that even in the prison system, they only let them out 1 hour per day. We have all some time in our lives have ran into people who think that they were so holy, I don't think even the devil wanted to fool with then, because he has them where he wants them. Just my little 2 cents in. Tim

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