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Nano:
Ok, I reread Ray’s Towers paper last night and several things came to mind.
 
#1 – Clearly the “towers” are symbolic as the rest of the verse is symbolism as well.
 
25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill.

Ray kinda breaks his own rule here by mixing physical/literal with symbolism/spiritual.  It’s also very misleading to only use part of a verse to make a point.  This is the very thing he’s trained us to be on the lookout for from the church!! 

#2 - In the day of great slaughter… We already know that a “day” is  not a literal 24 hour day, therefore, we cannot place this “great slaughter” on a particular date in time.  Since we know from Genesis 1:5 day is “light”, lets see the next verse:  26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted. We know that “the moon” is the church.  Is the church’s light as bright as the sun?  I think not.  Has the LORD bound up our wounds?  No.  I also have to ask that if 9/11 is a “day of great slaughter”, what does that make Hiroshima/Nagasaki?  Lots of towers fell that day!

#3 – What about a spiritual match?  Ray never gave one in his paper, but when I read Isaiah 30 all the way through I immediately thought of something I had just read the day before in Revelation chapter 22:

 1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

And now from Isaiah 30:
23 He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows. 24 The oxen and donkeys that work the soil will eat fodder and mash, spread out with fork and shovel. 25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.

Would the towers not symbolize all the ways our carnal selves try and reach heaven?  Would the day of great slaughter not symbolize the next age in which the SECOND DEATH takes place for the MANY?

I also love the verses in Isaiah right before these…
19 People of Zion, who live in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. How gracious he will be when you cry for help! As soon as he hears, he will answer you. 20 Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.” 22 Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!”

What a beautiful description of the Lake of Fire! 

Anyway, this is just what I got out of reading all that.  I’m not attacking Ray in any way and I hope I haven’t overstepped my bounds.  The last thing I want to do is get myself banned!  I am typically behind Ray 100% and I am so thankful that he opened my eyes to so many things I was totally lost on.  But this is the one place I can’t get behind what he says.  I know it’s a super emotional topic and its hard to imagine it wasn’t an event of “biblical proportions”, but I think that’s all a matter of perspective.  Quite honestly, my life hasn’t changed all that much since 9/11 other than I tend to be the “random search” when going through airport security  ;D.  Sure, I will always remember where I was that day and what I felt, but I just don’t think it was an epic biblical prophecy.  In my mind, the United States is no different than any other country.  We are no more evil than any one else.  We aren’t even a “Christian nation” – never have been.  Our capital is laid out like a pentagram, a national monument is an obelisk, and there are Illuminati symbols all over our currency – who are we kidding??  And are we really “above all nations”?  Different countries have risen to that spot and fallen, many times over.  History keeps repeating itself because we all do the same thing over and over and over.  We just appear to be on top for now because we got our start several hundred/thousand years later than everyone else.

Nano   

Dave in Tenn:
"This to me was not a "general" catastrophic happening as has been witnessed time and again, but this was a very specific catastrophe unlike anything before it." 

That's a true statement.  I'll leave it at that.

Kat:

Hi largeli,


--- Quote ---Kat you did say in your post that you believe Christs return could be near yes? If I may ask, what are the reasons you believe this?
--- End quote ---

It's a combination of things I see in the Scripture. I first noticed what Christ said in Matt 24, to me He is saying that everything was going along as they always had, even though it was much wickedness, it always had been and then "they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man" (Mat 24:39). Now I realize that when God said "that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Gen 6:5), He was talking about the 'carnality' of the people. Yes before the flood, but was that any different after the flood or now? Of course not, that is the way of the carnal flesh, of the unconverted mind, then and all the way to now. This age is what it is from the beginning when human were created and will be until the age ends. There have been many terrible events throughout history, it has always been the way it is, it's what this age is all about.

Okay, but I also believe that the Scripture in Daniel has real significants for this time in particular.

Dan 12:4  But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

I have seen advances in my own lifetime that has revolutionized how the world and certainly how I do things. The technology that we have now and how fast it has developed is absolutely astounding, the computer is an incredible advancement in the world. To me the internet has opened a door of information that even a commoner, like myself, can have access to so much more than could even be imagined even a generation ago. Information, like books, was not always, in earlier centuries, even allowed to be possessed by the average citizen. We cannot even compare what we are able to have and do now to times in the past, but all according to His plan and timetable.

Is this what was spoken of in Daniel? Well I don't know, but I think it is a very interesting time we are living in, that's for sure.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Nano:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 13, 2014, 09:32:53 PM ---"This to me was not a "general" catastrophic happening as has been witnessed time and again, but this was a very specific catastrophe unlike anything before it." 

That's a true statement.  I'll leave it at that.

--- End quote ---

We were attacked and roughly 3,000 perished.   

We attacked Hiroshima/Nagasaki and roughly 250,000+ perished.   I'll leave it at that.

Nano

Deborah-Leigh:
Kat put this Scripture forward ~


Luke 21:34  "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
v. 35  For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
v. 36  Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."   



We all know the duress of the cares of life, the stress of the work place, the distress of social scrutiny measuring your value in terms of material values. Are these the "things" to come to pass, to escape,  to be, as Jesus said, to be counted worthy to stand before the Son of Man?



In the Scripture quoted by Kat, and in no other place in all the Scriptures, Jesus says not HOW to pray, but WHAT to pray FOR ~

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