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"Jesus preached to people in HELL!"
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 06, 2014, 09:22:03 PM ---Agree John but:
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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Yes, I agree fully with that Scripture. But of the times I've been asked, they don't like to hear. Except, my youngest son seems to understand what I say about no free will.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 06, 2014, 09:22:03 PM ---Agree John but:
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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Hello Dennis,
this is what I now do. If someone asks me something about God or the Bible, I try to respond. The preaching I did that I mentioned above was when I was in my teens, attending an evangelical church.
It astonishes me to see how effective is the strong delusion that God sends to men. On one occasion that I took a bus to get to my destination, a lady sitting in front of me gave me a little booklet about God. I asked her which church she attended. She told me and her face lit up because I showed some interest. I asked her if she believed in the existence of hell. She replied "Of course!" I said to her, do you realize that according to the Christian church, the majority of humankind will end up in hell? She explained that people choose to go to hell. I probed even further by asking her, if only ONE person came to know Jesus Christ out of the whole world, would you consider that a victory for Christ? Of course she answered Yes!
I shook my head, and she was clearly upset with me at this point. She didn't speak to me anymore.
I remember when I used to travel from my city to the capital in my country to learn English, there was almost always some lone person that would get in the bus and start preaching to the rest of us that were waiting for the bus to depart. These guys were persistent and focused. Nothing ever dissuaded them from their task. However, I never saw ANYONE being converted. Now I understand why.
Zechariah 4:6 Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
Rodge
Abednego:
John, I agree with what you are saying, but in reference to your last sentence remember that He does choose to do this through the "foolishness of preaching". So that means that someone somewhere will be witnessing. I think the problem lies in the interpretation of the word "witnessing". In my opinion, I would call Ray a witness, but I never thought that he was a mirror image of today's Christianity.
I believe there is a way God wants us to witness and there is a way modern Christianity teaches us to witness. (And keep in mind, what they witness is not to the truth.)
As far as myself, I don't talk about what I believe very much. Why should I? Most heretics can defend their position a heck of a lot better than I can right now. As Ray said in one of his videos, He can teach on tithing and get you to tithe better than some of the ministers of today. (He did follow that up with he'd have to lie to do it.) I'm just not that good yet. I have pointed people to this website who have thought it was garbage. If their eyes are not open to what they see here there is nothing I can say that will convince them otherwise. Their eyes simply haven't been opened.
cjwood:
i also don't speak about what i believe unless someone asks me, or if the subject of "church" comes up with family members. but, with regards to the whole witnessing about the gospel to others, we have to remember these verses:
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom you believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building." 1 corinthians 3:5-9
this scripture appears to be saying that all believers are fellow laborers in planting and watering the seeds of Truth we have been given through the Spirit of God and His Word. and it ALL is caused by God.
you can point a flashlight right into the eyes of a blind man and he still cannot see. you can yell and scream in the ear of a deaf man and he still cannot hear. yes. ALL is of the Father.
claudia
Dennis Vogel:
Most of us who have been around for many years have learned the hard way to keep quiet unless asked.
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