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rick:
I found this from Rays writings, winning souls for Jesus ( Shocking as it might sound to most, the Scriptures know nothing of "winning souls for Jesus." It is a man-made doctrine of the carnal mind.)

Ian 155:

--- Quote from: theophilus on February 15, 2014, 10:26:14 PM ---Hadn't you been given eyes to see and a friend of yours came up to you telling you about the nonexistence of hell and the salvation of all, you too would shun your friend. Their reaction is not weird. It is to be expected by us.

I now see that what's also to be expected is our attitude of disbelief when we see in others the same blindness that used to plague our lives.

"Oh the garbage that they pass along to these people as truth!"

We used to swallow this same garbage hook, line and sinker before.

Let us not allow a spirit of provocation get the best of us.

--- End quote ---


I agree with you .... we all swallowed it, I think we all have to, until we get called out of it, that is by the grace of God alone. So let us be thankful, His mercies endure forever, let us not be prideful or arrogant toward those who are still to be called - Jesus wept for Jerusalem or the world system which is passing .We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves ,Gods children are his - righteous and unrighteous, so who are we except sons and daughters of the most high by Grace we are being saved.When exposure is needed we expose however we are to do it gently and with Love.Who can say your own doing brought you understanding or to this site. Ray was a vessel and used, we cannot possibly begin to understand his suffering. We were all blinded like Paul we were all led into the fire and we will all be saved.

Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Remember family, these folks cant help, but be blind.

Once I found this truth out I have stopped or been stopped from getting into arguments and quarrels, my own wife included.

Remember the 1st miracle, we are mere vessels, being filled with Jesus, The Word, then once filled with the water of the word, we are turned/changed into wine,then we are given to the Father to sample - no doubt we will taste good ... in his time not ours.

Pride does come /arrive, before a fall

walking in His grace

Ian

theophilus:
Hello Ian. I for one, experienced this disbelief that how could other Christians not see what I was now seeing. I'm certain that others have experienced it too. I will not say that a 100% of people whose eyes God has opened to the truth go through the same thing. But a good number of us have.

theophilus:
I was thinking about the words Preaching and Teaching.

According to the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament:

Kērussein [to preach] does not mean the delivery of a learned and edifying or hortatory discourse in well-chosen words and a pleasant voice. It is the declaration of an event. Its true sense is “to proclaim” (III:683-718).

Friedrich, the author of this article on Preaching in this dictionary, shows that the preaching of Jesus and the Apostles was the proclamation that the Kingdom of God had arrived. Their “preaching” was not educational, seeking to impart an ever-growing knowledge of the Scriptures upon the hearers, but was closer to the task of a herald who traveled throughout the land, declaring that changes were coming from the king, and what these changes meant for the people of the kingdom.

Preaching was this declaration, this proclamation, that the Kingdom of God had arrived.

According to the author, the preaching of Jesus “did not expound the Scripture like the rabbis. He did not tell people what they must do. His teaching was proclamation. He declared what God was doing among them today” (III:713).

Friedrich explains the differences between teaching and preaching:

"Teaching is usually in the synagogue, whereas proclamation takes place anywhere in the open. Different hearers are present. Teaching is the exposition of Scripture in synagogue worship; it is for the righteous with a view to increasing their knowledge. Preaching is the herald’s cry ringing out in the streets and villages in houses. The herald goes to all, to publicans and sinners; he attracts the attention of those who are without and who do not attend the gatherings of the righteous" (III:713).

The message preached was the message announced, the message taught was the message explained, clarified, and applied, with exhortation to live by it.

I think I read somewhere that he whose eyes are opened must have been a part of Babylon. In this way, he must heed God's call to "come out of her [Babylon] my people".

If we are to preach or herald, what would we preach? Would we preach the nearness of the kingdom of God? would we preach universal reconciliation? maybe we could buy some air time at a local AM radio station and do this? I used to "preach" like this with my former pastor every Saturday night after the service.

In my case, no former inhabitant of Babylon came up to me preaching universal reconciliation, the nonexistence of hell, etc., etc. In my opinion, God led me, via the internet, to bible-truths.com and Mike Vinson's website. After having read some papers of Ray, I confronted Ray via email and DESTROYED his claims. Well, so I thought! Hehehe! I could kind of accept God reconciling ALL PEOPLE, but the Adversary and his minions? What a heresy!!! But good old Ray shot back an email that put me in my place. I stood chided and corrected. Yes, I received a dose of Ray's bluntness. I can laugh about it now, but at the time, I was seeing red! How dare this guy?! I mean, who the heck was he? God's means to reach me, of course!

So, I suppose that it was Ray Smith's HERESIES' EXPOSING PAPERS (TEACHING? CLARIFICATION OF SCRIPTURES? NOT PREACHING!) the means used by God to open my eyes. Having said this, I am confident that God had begun this work in me some good while before I ran into Ray's papers.

Ian 155:
I think I would rather go with "Instructions" or "instructor "  a few translations call Jesus, Teacher

Psalm 40 v 10 I have not kept the good news of your justice hidden in my heart; I have talked about your faithfulness and saving power. I have told everyone in the great assembly of your unfailing love and faithfulness.

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