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My son Steven was sentenced
theophilus:
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--- Quote from: octoberose on March 21, 2014, 12:57:01 AM ---I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
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You say, "Steven sounds like an honorable man."
Really?
He is a convicted drug dealer and sent to prison. An honorable man? What is a dishonorable man?
The Scriptures condemn stating that good is evil and evil is good.
It is an affront to the Spirit of God to let such a bold face lie go unchallenged.
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We all need to remember that anyone of us is capable of doing anything given certain circumstances. Anything.
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Agreed.
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Octoberose just might be right, even though I stand with JFK. Octoberose said that "Steven sounds like an honorable man". What makes him "sound" honorable? What his mother has written about him. To SOUND LIKE and BE SOMETHING are two very different things.
Definition of honorable:
HonŽor`a`ble Pronunciation: onŽ?r`ć`b'l
a. 1. Worthy of honor; fit to be esteemed or regarded; estimable; illustrious.
Thy name and honorable family.
- Shak.
2. High-minded; actuated by principles of honor, or a scrupulous regard to probity, rectitude, or reputation.
3. Proceeding from an upright and laudable cause, or directed to a just and proper end; not base; irreproachable; fair; as, an honorable motive.
Is this proceeding just and honorable?
- Shak.
4. Conferring honor, or produced by noble deeds.
Honorable wounds from battle brought.
- Dryden.
5. Worthy of respect; regarded with esteem; to be commended; consistent with honor or rectitude.
Marriage is honorable in all.
- Heb. xiii. 4.
6. Performed or accompanied with marks of honor, or with testimonies of esteem; as, an honorable burial.
7. Of reputable association or use; respectable.
Let her descend: my chambers are honorable.
- Shak.
8. An epithet of respect or distinction; as, the honorable Senate; the honorable gentleman.
Who knows Steven best but his mom? She's the most appropriate person to try to apply the above definition to her son and find out whether it is true of him OR not. What will it be?
As JFK clearly stated, a mother's love is something to contend with. But at the end of the day, a mother must make an honest assessment of her children, and call black 'black' and white 'white'.
virginiabm:
Brother theophilus, I appreciate you defending octoberose. I really felt pain in my heart for her , because of the way Brother JFk made the statement bold face lie, when I don't for one minute believe she was calling what Steven did honorable. I hope when she reads it, she want be to upset by it.
I expect people to talk down about my children for what they did, even thou they are being punished for it, but octoberose did not deserve the harsh words that was said about her statement concerning Steven sounds like an honorable man.
I do not excuse what my sons have done, but I know the reasons behind their evil deeds and so does Almighty God.
Your sister in Christ,
Virginia Miller
Dave in Tenn:
Try hard not to forget the blatantly obvious: Virginia is HERE, and her sons aren't. Save your sermons for when you can speak to them. Maybe your own obedience will be complete when that happens.
theophilus:
Be strong in the Lord Virginia. What must be must be. Sounds like your sons are dealing well with their sentencing. It appears they understand that justice has been served, and they have received a just punishment for their crimes.
You need to do likewise. You and your sons will be in my prayers. :)
Dave in Tenn:
Theophilus, take the time to actually read the thread. Virginia has answered your 'challenge' several times already. In addition, don't ask her to defend somebody else's words.
Does anybody really believe that except for the grace of God HE or SHE would be in the same boat? I'll go so far as to say that except for the Grace of God, THEIR boat could be far, far worse. Do we all really REALLY understand that everybody is doing the best they can? Literally?
There was a time when I was facing the possibility of prison. The Lord spared me, but I had an attitude while contemplating the possibility that sounds extremely similar to that of Steven. I knew even then that the "heart of the king is in the hand of the Lord". Even the fear of eternal Hell-fire didn't stop me (and couldn't stop me) from sinning, but the Lord gave me just enough wisdom to endure and just enough faith to believe in a good SPIRITUAL outcome, even if the physical outcome was less-than-desirable. And that was BEFORE I believed in the salvation of all.
To be honest, he let me go SO FAR, that until I believed in the Salvation of ALL, I could no longer even believe in the salvation of Dave.
Scripture tells us not to judge things before their time. I'm extremely glad I have been shown the lie of those who judge ME incurable. Who sets the time when Virginia's sons will say with full understanding and joy "Jesus Christ is LORD" to the glory of the Father? The LORD of all sets the time. Until then, JESUS is still Lord. HIS judgments are right, and He did not come to condemn the world, but to save it.
Even this 'salvation' is just a necessary step in creating for Himself Sons and Daughters. HE is not finished with any of us, and I challenge all of us to remember that both when thinking of others and about our own selves. Keeps us humble, ya know?
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