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Six words Ray wrote.
Abednego:
--- Quote from: cjwood on March 09, 2014, 12:23:57 PM ---who cares what the heretics say or worry about??!! i mean, really. is this all coming down now to a question of being careful not to step on toes of heretics? if ray had thought this way, this website would have never been started...
claudia
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I think it makes a big difference. It's the difference between believing God has everything planned out to the minute detail vs. a reactionary God who is constantly fixing what we do with our free will because he "knew" we would do it.
Abednego:
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--- Quote from: Abednego on March 08, 2014, 09:05:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: cjwood on March 07, 2014, 07:53:23 PM --- of course we know that any choice we make is the choice our Creator knew we would make.
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I think this statement gives too much fuel for the fire of the heretics. If we make our choices based on a cause, maybe it would be better said that any choice we make is the choice our Creator wanted us to make.
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No, I don't think that's the way to "better say" it. That word "want" expresses a desire, and we have scripture that says what God's desires are, and many also which say what He does NOT desire/want.
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Dave, I don't disagree with what you are saying, so maybe choosing want is not the correct word. But knew doesn't do it for me either.
Reference http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1595.msg13417.html#msg13417
First I would like to say that I have found your web site to be extremely valuable. It has answered many questions that have been unanswered for many years. I do have one question for you. It is believed that God does not change his mind, correct? How do you explain Isaiah 38??? In verse one, I am quoting from the Amplified Bible, ...thus says the Lord, set you house in order, for you shall die and not live. Then in verse 3, Hezekiah prayed and cried. Then in verse 5, ...Lord said, I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add to your life fifteen years. Did Hezekiah's prayer and tears influenced God to change his mind? I think so, why would it read that God heard Hezekiah's prayer and tears if it was not important in prolonging Hezekiah's life? First, God said, you shall die and not live. Then God said, I have heard your prayer, and seen your tears, so I will add 15 years to your life. It sounds to me that God changed his mind. Don't you agree? What do you think? Am I missing something? Is it a mistranslation? I know that you receive so many emails, so I will be surprised if you take the time to answer mind; but I hope so. Maybe, if I pray and cry, the Lord will grant me my prayer for you to answer (correctly) this email. Gee, I wish it was that easy: just pray and cry and God will answer prayer.
Thank you, in advance, for your thoughts on this subject.
Joe V.
No, Joe, I do not agree with you that God "changed His mind." God never ever CHANGES his mind. First, God NEVER CHANGES His mind about anything. He plainly tells us so in Mal. 3:6. And in Num. 23:19 we are told that God is NOT A MAN that He should lie or that he should repent [change HIs mind].
God did not lie when he said that Hezekiah would die--he did die. And furthermore he would have died 15 years SOONER IF something else didn't take place. And so God saw to it that something else did take place. Hezekiah's prayer was OF GOD, seeing that "ALL IS OF GOD." No one can say a prayer unless and until God first preordains that that person will say a prayer. Read my latest post on "PRAYING BY GOD'S RULES" and also my 120 page seres on "The Myth of Free Will Expose," which explain this whole subject in great detail using dozens and dozens and dozens of Scriptures to back it up.
God be with you,
Ray
This comes to mind when I think of God knowing something. Yes, God knew that Hezekiah's life would be extended, but He knew it before Hezekiah was ever born. To say God knew something is true, but the fact is the reason he knew it is because that is the way it was supposed to be period.
John from Kentucky:
God has a very detailed mind, intelligence, and control over all things.
There is that Scripture where it says birds do not die without the Father's permission.
Another Scripture says the hairs of our head are all numbered.
Another Scripture says God names all the stars (which our science says there are hundreds of billions of them).
If God has so much control of those things mentioned above, how much more control and knowledge does He have over all mankind, which is His crowning achievement of creation in that He is creating beings in His own image, after His own kind, who He calls His kin, His sons and daughters, His family.
Abednego:
^This
Dave in Tenn:
No worries, Abednego. Actually, I think it does little good in the long run to talk in generalities. I can't hold such big thoughts in my head 24/7.
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