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rick:
Hi Johnchris,
I feel the more I get my arms around Rays writings the greater my understanding of how God designed me or made me.
I知 not the free entity I thought I once was, yes I feel like a free entity inwardly but I知 not and that in itself testifies to me the great wisdom and intelligent of our creator.
What I知 beginning to see is that every choice I make is my choice, true but that choice is not made with the freedom of a free will, again, I have a will that is always and exclusively subjected to God痴 will.
No matter what I do, God is behind it, either directly or indirectly but I feel at all times its always me doing it. God is spirit and works inside of me, I知 unaware of Gods presents or workings in my life because He is spirit and I am flesh and cannot detect the workings of God in my life.
I can only see the results of a change being made in me, Im not the man I once was but this is not my doing, yes, I feel like I have a desire to no longer do a certain thing but have no power to walk away, then I find I知 no longer doing a certain thing.
What happen ? I experience I have a desire then realize I could not control that desire and thus the desire for a certain thing is gone. I feel likes its all me doing it from start to finish but all credit must go to God.
When I do a good thing for anyone I realize it was God who gave to me this good thing to do but it is God doing the good thing through my person, I feel good about doing it or maybe I should say I feel good about God using me in this way.
There are a few things I know, there is nothing that is good that dwells in my flesh...carnal mind
and the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things.
There is nothing in me or about me that deserves life according to the laws of God, the carnal mind is totally self centered, arrogant, rude and prideful and its these things God must destroy in me.
I知 not perfect but God is perfecting me, I cannot say to anyone that I am saved on this side of the resurrection, if I look at my life from Gods eyes according to my deeds I would say I知 in a lost state. But who knows, maybe God will surprise me in the first resurrection and if He does I can assure anyone, I had nothing to do with it. :)
Kat:
I would like to make a distinction here, what I am talking about is that God does cause all the "GOOD works" in believers through His Spirit indwelling, but I am not saying God actually causes all things, good and evil.
In Eph. 2 it is talking about how it's God that causes all the "good works" in believers.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
I just want to make it clear that this is talking about His Spirit working in believers and that does not carry over to mean that He also is the cause of all the evil that people do.
Here is another email to clarify this a bit.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=224.msg1868#msg1868 ------
Dear Marcus:
I have explained this many times, but there are few who can understand it. God created man subject to VANITY (failure). God made mankind that way. It is absolutely stupid for theologians to deny it. God plainly tells us this in Rom. 8:18:25.
Man has naturally a natural mind, a mind of flesh, called in Scripture the "carnal mind" and it naturally HATES God and cannot keep His law (Rom. 8:7).
But if you or anyone does not even believe these Scriptures, why go further? God made man is testerone. His natural inclination is to have sex with pretty women--OFTEN.
Then God turns around and tells man to not have sex with pretty women AT ALL--only in marriage. God doesn't MAKE OR FORCE man to desire sex with women. Man desires that all on his own. Some men desire sex with children. God doesn't MAKE OR FORCED men to have sex with children. Some men do it naturally. Are you following me?
God could stop all men from having sex with children. But He doesn't. That's because God has a plan for the human race that involves humans doing things so horrible, that they will eventually learn to never trust their own heart and mind again. They must have faith and trust in God through His Holy Spirit.
All men would have sex with little children, if they grew up under the same circumstances as the men who do have sex with little children. This is a sobering thought that few theologians alive have ever contemplated for more than 2 and one half seconds. And women have their particular natural inclination to commit horrible sins. This is God's creation, not mine. This is God's plan with humans, not mine. I can justify God in all His ways. Most can't. God will rectify and reconcile all things that has ever been committed.
God be with you,
Ray
John from Kentucky:
Thanks Kat for the last two posts quoting Ray.
Ray nails the subject exactly by the Scriptures.
Everyone else misses critical points.
The difference between Ray's comments and the comments of others is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. ;D
rick:
J.F.K., are you trying to say we spiritually enlighten people here are like lightning bugs...lol :)
loretta:
This thread has served its purpose, both temporally and spiritually. :)
And is lighthearted enough too. Lighting bugs indeed! 8)
Thanks everyone.
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