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Riddles:

--- Quote from: Kat on June 27, 2014, 11:46:45 AM ---
Riddles, you are getting caught up in the details that are not significance, it's the miracle itself that had great meaning. It's like a person reached in his pocket and gave a beggar 38 dollars (all that they had) and the beggar turns around and asks why 38...

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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No, it really isn't like that.  That's an assumption on your part.  If anyone appreciates John 5 it's me. I don't place more importance on the numbers associated with these miracles, which is why I haven't looked into them.  My comment was just an aside, because sometimes God uses numbers in scripture for different reasons.  I'm not looking a miracle in the mouth here.  Also, couldn't you say that about looking into any aspect of scripture?  You know, the ones the L. Ray spent his life researching, before he wrote about them?  You don't understand it enough, your're off track, best not to look into it etc.

Kat:


--- Quote from: Riddles on June 27, 2014, 05:52:05 PM --- Also, couldn't you say that about looking into any aspect of scripture?  You know, the ones the L. Ray spent his life researching, before he wrote about them?  You don't understand it enough, your're off track, best not to look into it etc.
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Maybe I did jump to an assumption about that... of course it's very obvious from Ray that details are very important. I guess it's when people are trying to read something into the numbers and calculates out things by the numbers they see in Scripture that I think is pointless. I guess I just haven't gotten to know you very well just yet, to see where you are coming from.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Riddles:
It's fine Kat.  I forget about the obnoxious e mails your site must deal / have dealt with so  take it for granted that we are on a similar page, appreciation wise, on this forum. 

I  deeply appreciate and grasp the intended meanings of some of Jesus’ parables which I happen to believe are also prophecies – and eventually wonder as an aside, if the numbers associated with them have any significance.  Yes these are details, and not the main message. 

After a while I just think: a man lay next to a pool continuously for 38 years without ever getting over to that pool (how did he eat?  Go to the bathroom?) and this is what literally took place?   I've thought that the 38 years is an absurdity from the reader's perspective to get us to see that there is more than meets the eye going on.  Ancient Greek tragedies were written this way - they had absurd (apparent) inconsistencies to get the listener or audience member to wonder, and then when you looked into it, there was all of this symbolism and then you could solve a riddle contained within it, the most famous being Oedipus Rex which has all sorts of gospel symbolism.  For example Oedipus means "bruised heel". 

I'm not saying the Jesus' miracle in John 5 didn't happen!  I'm suggesting that's is a truthful account but maybe the specifics are cloaked because what's being described is a near physical impossibility (not the miracle - the 38 years)!  Again, I know this seems insignificant next to the heart of that message, but still. It just seems like if God wanted us to see the main message and only that, why include the odd bit about 38 years?

Riddles:
Thanks for deigning to enlighten us JFK.  Can I join your cult?  Is there a place where I can wire you some money? 8)

Joel:
I think God uses numbers that are mentioned for a reason.
Why 10 commandments, and not 8, or 6 or some other number?
Why 12 apostles and why replace Judas to make 12 again?
Why was there 120 in the upper room?
Why did God give us two eyes, two ears, one nose, and one mouth, and anything different is considered abnormal?
Why was the amount of time mentioned during the flood important?
A person could spend a lot of time studying such things, many have come up with ridiculous dates and years for Jesus to return.
I haven't gotten to wrapped up in Bible numbers, and don't give it much thought.
However I don't think God just threw in any number just to take up space either.

Joel

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