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Elect
Kat:
Hi JohnChris,
While God has the right to choose and use whoever He sees fit, I think you must look at this from where we are in God's plan. The elect are actually a few that are chosen or favored above the rest of the people of the world at this time. The elect are the privileged few that will be in the first resurrection, so yes favored.
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last, for many are called, but few are chosen.
In this statement the "first" seems to be the Jews, called to be God's people through the OT, but not a single one of them will be in the first resurrection. But don't you think they were favored over the rest of the nations of the world at that time? Maybe they were a physical foreshadow of the spiritually favored people yet to come, which would be the "last" or those that came later after the Jews, the few, the elect.
This is from Strong's Greek dictionary:
chosen
G1588
ἐκλεκτός
eklektos
ek-lek-tos'
From G1586; select; by implication favorite: - chosen, elect.
From Webster's
Chosen
CHOSEN, pp.
1. Selected from a number; picked out; taken in preference; elected; predestinated; designated to office.
2. Select; distinguished by preference; eminent.
Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood. 1 Pet 2.
Favorite
FA'VORITE, n.
A person or thing regarded with peculiar favor, preference and affection; one greatly beloved. Select favorites from among the discrete and the virtuous.
FA'VORITE, a. Regarded with particular kindness, affection, esteem or preference; as a favorite walk; a favorite author; a favorite child.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
octoberose:
What I wrestle with is that the Elect of God , in this life , have the gift of the indwelling Spirit of God. But the called do not have the spirit of God- correct? So if you or I am not in the Elect, then I am bereft and empty because His Spirit is not with me . And there's nothing I can do about it. I don't really know how to cope with that.
arion:
Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
That isn't correct. The Holy Spirit is with all of the saints in this life....even only the called. But he is IN the very elect of God. How could we learn any of these truths if the holy spirit of God isn't with us? I've felt flashes of inspiration and God's presence many times even when I was in my carnal church. It's just that there were a lot of things I didn't understand and couldn't overcome as long as I was still in that church system. God is presently with each and every one of us and for the elect he 'shall be' [future tense] in us when we are converted. Either in this age as part of the very elect or in the ages to come.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Arion on April 11, 2014, 06:50:47 AM ---Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
That isn't correct. The Holy Spirit is with all of the saints in this life....even only the called. But he is IN the very elect of God. How could we learn any of these truths if the holy spirit of God isn't with us? I've felt flashes of inspiration and God's presence many times even when I was in my carnal church. It's just that there were a lot of things I didn't understand and couldn't overcome as long as I was still in that church system. God is presently with each and every one of us and for the elect he 'shall be' [future tense] in us when we are converted. Either in this age as part of the very elect or in the ages to come.
--- End quote ---
No you are mistaken. The Holy Spirit only dwells within the called and chosen, the little flock, the few, those who are the first fruits now, those who will be in the 1st Resurrection, the members of the Church of the Living God. Read about the seven churches in the Book of Revelation.
Kat:
Hi Arion,
Here is that verse from the Concordant.
John 14:17 17 the spirit of truth, which the world can not get, for it is not beholding it, neither is knowing it. Yet you know it, for it is remaining with you and will be in you."
That phrase at the end, "for it is remaining with you and will be in you," seems to be speaking to the elect only. Christ was speaking to them before His crucifixion so was speaking of what "will be," but was saying once it came it would be "remaining" from then on.
The first part of that verse "the spirit of truth, which the world can not get," is speaking to all the rest of the world.
As for understanding the truth we do have human reasoning to think about these things, but that cannot take get you much spiritual understanding, because that is also where the doctrine of man comes from. I think the world's understanding is what the principle behind the sower and the seed... people can see a glimpse of truth, but without the spirit indwelling it cannot remain and will be lost one way or another.
Mark 4:3 "Listen! A sower went out to sow.
v. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it.
v. 5 Other seed fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil, and immediately it sprang up, since it had no depth of soil.
v. 6 And when the sun rose, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away.
v. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain.
v. 8 And other seeds fell into good soil and produced grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold."
v. 9 And he said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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