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John from Kentucky:
People need to chill a little.
Sometimes people use strong language in discussing something important to them.
Those who follow this Way of God, find God and the solid truths in His Scriptures to be all important.
At the conference in Jerusalem, the Apostles and members in attendance had strong words to say. And when they had been much disputing... Acts 15:7 Not just disputing, but much disputing.
Also, Paul got in Peter's face over a dispute between themselves. "withstood him to the face." Gal 2:11
rick:
Not sure what all the emphasis on God hating sin as well as the sinner, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand we hate a person because of what they do, how does one separate the sin from the sinner?
So God hate all sinners but this hatred is only for a season, and when the season ends so won’t Gods hatred towards all sinners.
If your numbered as one of the elect, you had nothing to do with this calling, or if your numbered with all the sinners, you had nothing to do with that calling, for the creature was made in vanity not willingly but by reason of God.
Even the elect are the elect by reason of God and only by reason of God, the elect of God are nothing special on their own or by their own merit or outside of or away from God.
So what about the good news of the bible ? Is it only for the elect ? Maybe you might say yes, its only for the elect but is it only for the elect throughout the ages ? God forbid .
The good news is for everyone because Jesus really is the savior of the world especially of those who believe.
Paul the apostle claimed to be the worlds worst sinner, Jesus saved Paul and He will save all others because Jesus does not fail at anything He does...And that’s Gods promise to all..for the creature was subjected in hope. This is awesome news to me, especially me...Oh how sweet the sound. :)
Patric:
Amen......to those whom have eyes they shall see.....to those whom have ears.....let them hear....and to those who are dead.....shall be alive and yet born again.....resurrection is a good thing! Yes good news :)
Mike Gagne:
May blessing (praise, laudation, and eulogy) be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) Who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual (given by the Holy Spirit) blessing in the heavenly realm! Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love. For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]– (Ephesians 1:3-5 AMP) I think I see that his elect were born elect, and the real conversion happens at the first resurrection! Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on in corruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. (1 Corinthians 15:50-53 KJV) and that the elects time on earth is for there training , Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV) I asked the question about when the elect become the elect because, I had no point of reference when it happened. I had a road to Damascus experience, I seen Gods light and not in the natural. Then I am sure that I left my first love and then did my years in the Church and also had my (Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV ) experience, and then God granted me repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. All the truths that God was opening my eyes to through LRays teachings in the LOF series made me see that I might be apart of this first fruit group. But in my mind I had to have a starting point,or a place that seemed like a conversion? But through the order it happened in my life I now see that if I am apart of the first fruits company then I had to be chosen in Him before the creation of the world and was born destined for his purpose....Thanks for all the great replies they have been a great help, and if I am wrong God will reveal his truth! Like LRay said , we won't know until the first resurrection! But God knows, Glory to God!!
santgem:
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These elect are sinners before their conversion........... :)
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So then they are not sinners after their conversion? Do you know have knowledge of anyone on the earth, save for Christ, who are elect or sins no more after their conversion?
I'm not busting your chops, I just wondered.
The whole elect teaching is a doctrine that was really pushed by the WWCG. I grew up Methodist and attended Baptist and Independent congregations for many years and the "Elect" doctrine was not pushed in these churches. The "rapture" "once saved always saved" and "save and pay" was though. I think we put too much emphasis on this "elect" teaching. I have been on the forum longer than about anybody and in all these years there is none that I would suspect being an "elect" except possibly one, but I would not know anyway only God does. We get so caught up worrying about words and the future we don't allow God and Christ to work in us now.
"Elect"? Sure, if you think knowledge makes us special then everyone is elect. But knowledge and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee in most places. Everyone in religion claims their knowledge is correct, they have scripture they use to support this; we are different though because we have the "Spirit". Guess what people? All the other religious group makes the same claim.
All is of God, God is working in us to perfect us and knowledge is not all there is.
So does anyone want to know what happens when we die or in the next age? I will tell you and you can take this to the bank. We don't know and we won't know until our time comes, when we become a spirit all the physical laws, thoughts and emotions are different, how can we attempt to explain this when we cannot even begin to fathom the spiritual realm??? We are like a bunch of ants trying to explain nuclear physics.
I am sad to say the forum is slowly becoming as much a church as the ones I left years ago. :(
From one ant to the rest...
Craig
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Sin shall not have dominion over to the elect ;)
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