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Rene:
--- Quote from: Rene on April 17, 2014, 02:49:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 16, 2014, 03:39:36 PM ---
Kat, Ray taught that Jesus Christ was 'lost'. But neither he nor scripture mean it like I've heard it all my life in church.
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Dave,
I've been thinking about this statement since you posted it yesterday and I just do not know what you are referring to. Where did Ray teach this? ???
René
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Sorry, Dave. I still don't get it. Can you post the link to the lesson where Ray taught this? I'm just trying to see where you got this from. That's all.
René
Dave in Tenn:
Sometimes all the questions I have come spilling out like a diet coke with mentos.
The MAIN thing I wanted to share was in answer, however.
Paul wrote: 2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, like an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Paul is talking about 'the elect' saying that they 'may also obtain the 'salvation' which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. "Election" is not 'salvation' if Paul is 'enduring all things' for the elect's sake IN ORDER THAT they may also obtain the salvation...
And that is what set me off trying my puny best to get a few folks to shake off the cobwebs of religious jargon. How are we going to understand THAT verse if we don't understand what 'the elect' and 'salvation' is? And yet I know even as I type this that it will raise more questions than it answers. Oh well, the truths of God are deeper than the surface. I learned that from Ray too. ;)
Dave in Tenn:
Rene, it's in the my post directly above yours. I'll go back and bold it.
OK...although I put 'lost' in quotation marks, I admit that Ray did not say it as I said it. He chose his words more carefully than I did and, although the Scripture wasn't written in English, I misquoted Ray.
No, I did more than 'misquote him'. I misrepresented what he said with that statement.
Do what you want.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 17, 2014, 09:23:29 PM ---Rene, it's in the my post directly above yours. I'll go back and bold it.
OK...although I put 'lost' in quotation marks, I admit that Ray did not say it as I said it. He chose his words more carefully than I did and, although the Scripture wasn't written in English, I misquoted Ray.
No, I did more than 'misquote him'. I misrepresented what he said with that statement.
Do what you want.
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Brave enough.................Salute!
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