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Ashamed of my conduct
Dave in Tenn:
Ian, I believe it is talking about BOTH. Paul made physical tents AND "spiritual tents". I work for my employer, BUT I work as unto the Lord (at least when I do). The church met house to house and fed one another. The church also met heart to heart and "fed" one another. The down-side also exists in both 'realms'. There are the 'busybodies' who don't desire/will to work. There is an equivalent in the Spiritual.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 25, 2014, 08:24:52 PM ---Ian, I believe it is talking about BOTH. Paul made physical tents AND "spiritual tents". I work for my employer, BUT I work as unto the Lord (at least when I do). The church met house to house and fed one another. The church also met heart to heart and "fed" one another. The down-side also exists in both 'realms'. There are the 'busybodies' who don't desire/will to work. There is an equivalent in the Spiritual.
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Dave I actually removed an earlier reply, I see a little veering off the subject on my part, I hear you and it does make for logical sense I think what is going on in me is a tug between things spiritual and a forcing of things logical - logic says if one does not do physical work he shall go physically hungry and resort to begging physically - Perhaps we start by being spiritual dogs begging spiritual crumbs who can know, this word is so huge I feel like a crumb myself.
As for the rest it is all spiritual we are fed and we feed others spiritual things as we are led,most times we don't even know how we are being used by Our God .
We are told to walk not after/according to the flesh so that should leave no speculation regarding physical and spiritual work?
It has crossed my mind "how then does one survive a Physical world" few answers that dont quite make logical sense "Seek 1st the Kingdom" "the Just SHALL live by faith"don't worry for anything but in all things by prayer...
Faith is the only thing that is able to accomplish these needs, when the physical realm we so easily fall back on, is removed by God.
It is a PHYSICAL,FEARFUL, SWEAT though.
this however is only my 2 cents
Dave in Tenn:
Ian, I really appreciate what Ray said pertaining to this. He said "we are not spiritual beings having a physical experience. We are physical beings having a spiritual experience." That clarified so much for me. Add to that the understanding that things "spiritual" are not necessarily "good"--despite how some people use the word. There is "spiritual wickedness" also.
I could preach now, but I'll spare you. ;D I'll just say life makes sense now.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 26, 2014, 06:16:06 PM ---Ian, I really appreciate what Ray said pertaining to this. He said "we are not spiritual beings having a physical experience. We are physical beings having a spiritual experience." That clarified so much for me. Add to that the understanding that things "spiritual" are not necessarily "good"--despite how some people use the word. There is "spiritual wickedness" also.
I could preach now, but I'll spare you. ;D I'll just say life makes sense now.
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Not to sure im with u.... perhaps type in the word spiritual in the search bar and see some of your responses to earlier Questions you responded to on matters spiritual.you cant move the goalposts now, I am not being argumentative either - this is important to me.
is it Physical bread we work for or is it Spiritual bread,
If all roads are blocked concerning employment am i an infidel Or not?
if folks con us for money to buy dope and get away with it, should we pray for such people or should we bitch an moan?
if folk are in need and we give should it be cheerfully or begrudgingly.
When Jesus left the disciples "Died" did they go back to there original physical disposition "I go a fishing"or is it a spiritual matter where without Christ we resort to/lean to our own physical understanding in order to survive
I may not have the finesse you guys have but i do know this, the word is spirit, the whole word. It is not understood by those who do not have spiritual ears.
What did that clarify for you? is spiritual wickedness a twisting of Christ[the word]? - wicker is the original word and it means to twist /weave, Im told
please be more specific like i said im not as sharp as you mods so if possible spell it out
Ian
Dave in Tenn:
Maybe I had that coming. :-\ I can't necessarily 'explain it', but maybe illustrate it?
I work for physical bread. But in doing it, I learn spiritual lessons. I have the opportunity to love my co-workers, to work "as for the Lord", and challenges such as what to do with my money, and own up to my many failings. That's just a partial list. I am sure that genuine love is Spiritual. It's the first mentioned of the fruit of the Spirit, after all. For someone like me who really doesn't naturally LIKE many people and is rather naturally intensely self-absorbed, this is something of a miracle. But it's 'growing', not fully developed. The fact that I know this, is spiritual. I wasn't always like that. Life-experience under a sovereign God and my own weakness, stubbornness, and ignorance made me like this...so life experience under a sovereign God will 'unmake me' like this.
If all roads are blocked concerning employment, you are simply currently unemployed. There are reasons for it, and remedies too. Some of them may be 'physical' and some may be 'spiritual'--both reasons and remedies. I have absolutely no idea. Examine your own heart. The 'example' in that passage above wasn't about a man who had no job, but about people with no will to work. The first is physical, the second is spiritual. Spirit is about attitude, motive...things like that. That 'list' is incomplete too.
If folks con us for money to buy dope and get away with it, should we pray for such people or should we bitch and moan? Don't know. We will have done what we did. I might not feel 'inspired' to do either one. Then we examine our hearts (or not) and learn. Some of what we 'learn' may be wrong...always or in some situations. So we keep learning. Or not. Whatever we do, we're going to do SOMETHING. We'll get our 'report card' later...even if it is 5 seconds later. "Dave works and plays well with others, but needs to improve his study habits".
If folk are in need and we give should it be cheerfully or begrudgingly? The Lord loves a cheerful giver. When you give alms, don't be as the Pharisees who make a big show of it. How much is too much of a 'big show'? That's a spiritual question. How much 'cheer' must we muster? Is it OK to fake it? These are spiritual questions. The Lord knows the motives of our hearts. What's hidden will be made manifest.
"When Jesus left the disciples "Died" did they go back to there original physical disposition "I go a fishing" or is it a spiritual matter where without Christ we resort to/lean to our own physical understanding in order to survive."
I reckon they went fishing because they didn't know what else to do. But then they learned. And I don't know whether they never went fishing again. I'm just sure that if they did, they remembered every word that Jesus said to them...maybe the parable of the fishes especially? They physically went fishing and learned from the Lord a spiritual lesson. More than one, actually. But they wouldn't have learned it if they hadn't gone fishing...at least not that way and then. And part of the spiritual lesson involved them 'doing' literal things...can't be a fisher of men if you don't fish for men. You don't fish for men "symbolically" either.
Maybe "spiritual lessons" is too loaded a term too. I develop God's spiritual traits. I am conformed to the image of Christ. I become less of a babe and more of a mature person. I become less riddled with lust of the flesh, the eyes, and the pride of life and gain more 'contentment with Godliness'. I need these things more than a job, but having a job puts me in a better position to gain them. God has plopped us all down here in the flesh and in our circumstances. He has surrounded us with good and evil, both of which He uses to 'create us in His image'. In other words, we are physical beings having a Spiritual experience.
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