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Ashamed of my conduct
Ian 155:
I was beginning to think I'm spiritually wicked and sucking in theories rather than higher meanings.
Out of your response I'm getting - "an experience in literal/logical understanding is evil and an experience in spiritual enlightenment is good"... is that what you are saying ?
it does help some
thanks
Ian
Joel:
The way I see it Paul spent the first part of his life living, and acting according to the letter of the law.
When the Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus his whole life was changed from that point on.
He was taught by the resurrected Savior for some time in the desert.
The letters that Paul wrote to the Churches are instructions, and teachings he obtained from inspiration (revelation) given him by the Lord.
Can the things Paul wrote be expanded on in Spiritual directions other than what is written? Sure, But we can back ourselves into a corner we can't get out of if we aren't careful.
Simply stated, Paul's writings are Spiritual revelations.
Joel
Ian 155:
interesting Joel, least im not the only one getting excited bout certain scriptures opening up - I do believe that the spiritual is in each and every word, that is why we need to take care with how we use it. The Word is holy, think about it, acts 27/28, to shake of a poisonous viper that appeared out of a piece of dry wood [the viper, the wood ,the ship ,the wrecked ship, the pieces of wreckage ] each has a greater meaning. If one is enabled to see the greater meaning then it is not literal anymore and this is good news we have grown up a wee bit - in those higher meanings are the keys to the kingdom
not sure what u mean by getting backed into a corner though
Ian
Dave in Tenn:
Don't want to speak for Joel, but it could be what he is warning about is confusing 'spiritual' with 'symbolic' and leaving out the "physical" altogether...what some people term "spiritualizing ", though I think that's a basic misunderstanding of "spiritual".
We can get into thinking that 'this' always means 'that'. Circumcision is literal. They actually cut off the foreskin of 8-day-olds and converts to Judaism. They still do. Circumcision is symbolic. It's a symbol of the cutting away of the fleshly nature and convenant with God. Circumcision is Spiritual. The 'circumcision without hands' that Paul talks about. That doesn't happen to a foreskin...it happens in the heart. No matter the presence or absence of your physical foreskin, if one is "spiritually" circumcised, he is undergoing the 'cutting away' of his carnal-mindedness and a new covenant with God.
Jesus took up His cross. He literally and physically died. Paul said "I am crucified with Christ." Literal, symbolic, or Spiritual? As I understand it, Peter WAS crucified...but he was "crucified" many years before that happened, and many times too.
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on April 27, 2014, 07:37:20 AM ---I was beginning to think I'm spiritually wicked and sucking in theories rather than higher meanings.
Out of your response I'm getting - "an experience in literal/logical understanding is evil and an experience in spiritual enlightenment is good"... is that what you are saying ?
it does help some
thanks
Ian
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Well, no that's not what I'm saying...but I'm going to have to leave this there.
Ian 155:
yp definitely missing each other on this one
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