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Dave in Tenn:
EVERYTHING in Scripture "applies to us". Indeed, it is written FOR THE MAN OF GOD! HOW does it apply to us is the question. Noah built an Ark. Jesus is our ark. Physical Jerusalem still exists. "Symbolic" Jerusalem still exists. "Spiritual Jerusalem" also exists, but only in a few.
THE CHURCH/ekklessia still exists (and they will argue till Jesus comes over all the physical rituals and rites and 'laws' of their church). "Come out of her, MY PEOPLE." HIS CHURCH is being built...not with hands...made up of those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth. Etc. etc. etc. MANY are called. Few are chosen.
As I tried to communicate earlier, it makes little or no difference to me what "they" do. There is a Spirit behind what the Apostles wrote concerning the church, and it will affect the behavior of even the least "religious".
You can't 'join' His Church of your own free will and choice. But that doesn't mean once joined, you don't grow in all the Graces of God.
Maybe it's just me, but I get a strong sense from reading Paul, for an example, that he himself struggled with how to deliver this "spiritual truth". You know, it's important in a sense that believers meet a certain standard of behavior...even the most "spiritually minded"...but changing from being a carnal-minded babe (which is how he describes many of his readers) to a spiritually-minded man requires more. More "grace", more "wisdom", etc.
As for me, I think they shared THAT too...and often, if not always, at the same time they wrote to the 'little babes, the still carnal, and the bewitched'. It just takes more than being spoon-fed to get it in big enough mouthfuls to support a grown-up.
Rene:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 25, 2014, 05:02:49 PM ---
EVERYTHING in Scripture "applies to us". Indeed, it is written FOR THE MAN OF GOD! HOW does it apply to us is the question. Noah built an Ark. Jesus is our ark. Physical Jerusalem still exists. "Symbolic" Jerusalem still exists. "Spiritual Jerusalem" also exists, but only in a few.
THE CHURCH/ekklessia still exists (and they will argue till Jesus comes over all the physical rituals and rites and 'laws' of their church). "Come out of her, MY PEOPLE." HIS CHURCH is being built...not with hands...made up of those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth. Etc. etc. etc. MANY are called. Few are chosen.
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Totally worth repeating. :) 8)
Kat:
When Paul gave those instructions to the group of people meeting as a church at that time, it was understandable that they would benefit from the instruction. Now if there are groups meeting that are the true believers now, then they too would probably benefit from those Scripture as well.
But the believers that I know of are scattered all around the world, and do not visit much less meet together regularly, so those instruction would not be used by an individual. That's is what I am talking about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: largeli on April 25, 2014, 04:20:15 PM ---Dave I can accept that certain things in the bible are not literal or physical. That's not the same as saying that they don't apply to us.
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I'll give it another shot then, boss. ;D You asked if there was any scripture that didn't 'apply to us'.
If you are not planning to build a physical ark with literal gopher wood, then the literal instructions God gave Noah don't apply to you.
Maybe, however, if you are spiritually "building" a spiritual "ark", there is tremendous spiritual truth to be spiritually gleaned from that story. Yet, Jesus said "Do you not know this parable? And how will you know all parables?"
Mar 4:14 The sower sows the Word.
Mar 4:15 And these are those by the wayside where the Word is sown. And when they hear, Satan comes at once and takes away the Word having been sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 And likewise, these are the ones having been sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the Word, they immediately receive it with joy,
Mar 4:17 yet they have no root in themselves, but are temporary. Then trouble or persecution having occurred through the Word, immediately they are offended.
Mar 4:18 These are those being sown into the thorn bushes, those hearing the Word,
Mar 4:19 and the cares of this age, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts about other things entering in, they choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mar 4:20 And these are those being sown on the good ground, who hear and welcome the Word and bring forth fruit, one thirty, and one sixty, and one a hundredfold.
Does any of that sound familiar? I guarantee you it did to Paul, Peter, James, John and Jude. :D Do you "preach" the same way to every type of "seed"? Ray didn't. Neither did those men who taught him.
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Very interesting dialogue between Largeli and Kat (and everyone). Quite informative.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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