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John 5:37
John from Kentucky:
Also, don't forget in the Book of Ezechiel, God appeared in a human form to Ezechiel, out of the whirlwind and with the Cherubim.
The God of the Old Testament, Who appeared in human form, was He Who we know as Jesus.
Actually, that is the form of the visible God. God made man in His (God's) image. Humans look like God.
However, that aspect of God Who Jesus called the Father, is the invisible God, Who we have not seen or heard, because Jesus said so.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The only way to know the Father is through Jesus.
Kat:
Oh yes John that certainly is an awesome image and it too depicts God in the form of a man, enthroned above the cherubim or "four living creatures." I'll add the Scripture of it.
Eze 1:4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
v. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around.
v. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.
Also there in Daniel that describes His glorious figure, but still He appears as a man.
Dan 10:5 I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz!
Dan 10:6 His body was like beryl, His face like the appearance of lightning, His eyes like torches of fire, His arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of His words like the voice of a multitude.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 05, 2014, 08:43:32 AM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on May 05, 2014, 12:49:16 AM ---I was wondering that God has an image even before "the Word made flesh" and "Moises saw the back parts of God." :)
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A 'Man' wrestled with Jacob all night and this I believe was a literal event that happened, yet represents a parable about Israel.
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now there is some good food,thanks Kat - like a wow moment
Also I think, back to the topic, the key word here is seen" if you have seen me you have seen the Father" - "I and the father are one" seek and ye shall find - knock and the door (to the kingdom) shall be opened,the father is pleased to shew you the kingdom etc it is not the sight of carnal eye but the spiritual sight we are after - as in open my eyes that i may see - is the key...like Ray said keep asking ,begging.God Jesus Is the fire that purifies us,how do we match up loooong way to go
Ian 155:
Exodus 33:20
Thou canst not: This is well explained by Rabbi Jehudah, in Sepher Cosri (P. iv. § 3): "Of that divine glory mentioned in the Scripture, there is one degree which the eyes of the prophets were able to explore; another which all the Israelites saw, as the cloud and consuming fire; the third is so bright, and so dazzling, that no mortal is able to comprehend it; but should anyone venture to look on it, his whole frame would be dissolved." In such inconceivable splendour is the Divine Majesty revealed to the inhabitants of the celestial world, where he is said to "dwell in the light which no man can approach unto" (1Ti_6:16). By the "face of God," therefore, we are to understand that light inaccessible before which angels may stand, but which would be so insufferable to mortal eyes, that no man could see it and live
anyone agree ?
Kat:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on May 05, 2014, 02:40:04 PM ---Exodus 33:20
Thou canst not: This is well explained by Rabbi Jehudah, in Sepher Cosri (P. iv. § 3): "Of that divine glory mentioned in the Scripture, there is one degree which the eyes of the prophets were able to explore; another which all the Israelites saw, as the cloud and consuming fire; the third is so bright, and so dazzling, that no mortal is able to comprehend it; but should anyone venture to look on it, his whole frame would be dissolved." In such inconceivable splendour is the Divine Majesty revealed to the inhabitants of the celestial world, where he is said to "dwell in the light which no man can approach unto" (1Ti_6:16). By the "face of God," therefore, we are to understand that light inaccessible before which angels may stand, but which would be so insufferable to mortal eyes, that no man could see it and live
anyone agree ?
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Well I cannot agree with this considering that God did come down to Moses and "stood with him."
Exo 34:4 So he cut two tablets of stone like the first ones. Then Moses rose early in the morning and went up Mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him; and he took in his hand the two tablets of stone.
v. 5 Now the LORD descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
v. 6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,
This is what the LORD said He would do when Moses had asked "to see His glory" in chapter in 33. So Moses as a mere mortal man did stand in the presence of God (though not allowed to see His face) and his whole frame was not dissolved. So actually it is as the Lord said when Moses made the request, "I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" (Exo 33:19).
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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