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John 5:37
microlink:
Hi everyone,
This seems to be a never ending topic for discussion here and many other places.
Just believe the scriptures.
1Co_8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Is Jesus God?
Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
The debate goes on and will go on and on.
However we have yet to learn how we are part of being gods either now or definitely in the future
I think Ray got it pretty much in his reply recently posted here by Rene.
Ian 155:
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It appears to me the Son will continue to be lesser than his Father as he will subject himself to God; us much more. I don't see us dissolving in oneness with the God. I see us joining with God in oneness.
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Theo how do we expain the verse "I and the Father are one"
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"I and the Father" involves two subjects in the sentence. Jesus could have plainly said "I AM THE FATHER" but didn't. "I and the Father" leaves Jesus' individuality and that of His Father separate. This is my lowly take on this sacred topic. May God forgive me if I'm wrong. Or better yet, may God give me revelation.
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Ok I beliieve we are not GODs yet but (gods)PS 86v2:I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
We are being made into GOD's likeness, shape, form, if you like.When Jesus was born he was a god as well hhowever, the path to becoming like unto GOD (one with GOD), is the road Jesus walked - I believe it is when you have to,are led to, forsake all.
You then begin to walk with GOD and be his friend this is also kinda still in the beginning IE In THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED... this is part of our beginning learning (being taught ) to depend on God not our own worldly ways.(understanding) which I believe ties in with miracle no 1 being turned into wine...
actually we all, Jew and Gentile come out of the father and we will all return to the father and be ONE that is my understanding and I believe I have Gods spirit residing in me...
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Kat:
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Hi Ian, actually I think Christ was unique in how He was brought forth from the Father "the only begotten Son" (John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; Heb 11:17; 1 John 4:9), as His spiritual Son first, then entering flesh to fully share our own existence before He suffer and died.
Some people believe that mankind were spirit beings that came into the flesh, but we all are first of the flesh and only when we are begotten with the Spirit do we have life within us.
1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
v. 47 The first man came from the dust of the earth; the second man came from heaven.
But I do think I see what you mean we came out of the Father, in that He certainly gave us the physical breath of life.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
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Only when the Holy Spirit is indwelling do we have the earnest of spiritual life and any part of God, sons of God.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
2Co 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
v. 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
2Co 5:4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
v. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as he is.
And to the point of the "future," taking the analogy of Christ being the right hand of God, then could the elect be further extensions like the fingers of the hand? It seems to fit thinking of it as all being through Christ, but still from the ultimate source of power, the Father.
mercy. peace and love
Kat
santgem:
Greetings!
I do believe that it is only Jesus that came out of the Father Literally;
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Jhn 1:14
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.Jhn 1:18
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.Jhn 8:42
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Jhn 16:28
and after Jesus came out of the Father, Jesus created all things;
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.Jhn 1:3
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:Col 1:16
Ian 155:
HI ,
One can go real deep on this subject...start in Gen 1v1 God created both the heaven's ( spirit ) and the earth [ MAN ], MAN was without form,empty and dark.or naked ,wretched and blind...
And Gods spirit was hovering [waiting]over us . at just the right time ....WE get separated ie light and dark [sheep an goats,good fish bad fish etc...GOD saw that the LIGHT was good - carry on reading - then comes a joining, a union [ADAM/EVE] "YOU AND CHRIST" you read on, the word will be opened up... as you seek his FACE or AS YOU GROW GOD will reveal the "Son" in you and then you will see God [if you have seen me,you have seen the father] ...
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