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John 5:37
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on May 09, 2014, 01:00:41 PM ---
There is only One God.
As Ray mentioned before me, if God the Father is a separate entity, with a separate personality, with a separate existence; and if Jesus is a separate entity, with a separate personality, and a separate existence; then you have two Gods.
But the Scriptures teach over and over again that there is One God.
If you believe in two Gods, then you are a pagan with heathen, false beliefs. It doesn't matter if the names of your gods are Father and Jesus, or Zeus and Apollo, or Wodin and Thor; you are deceived and do not believe in the One, True God.
The same if you believe in a trinity of three gods--father, son, and holy spirit---or all the other multiple gods of mankind---you are an ignorant pagan idol worshiper.
How do you pray to your false, multiple gods? Fifteen minutes to the Father, then fifteen minutes to the Son, so that they don't feel slighted?
I have studied this subject for several years. I have well over a hundred Scriptures to show there is only One God. But they despise the Word of God. They hate those who bring the Word of God. Jesus told us not to give something of value to those who do not or can not appreciate it.
If any are interested in Truth, then read the attached from Ray. Also read the end of Ray's article on his creed. Only Jesus is our teacher, and only He can open up ones understanding.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13157.0.html
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Still leaves us with more questions than answers... I've read that email a hundred times now. Didn't Dennis or Craig say that they often discussed this with Ray shortly before his death and that he wasn't able to make sense of it, even up until the end he didn't quite have it all there. I remember one of them mentioning that.
"To us there is one God: The Father...AND Jesus" - I understand very well the difference between a colon and a comma.... and yet it seems to become even more enigmatic when the colon is added though I do agree, it lines up much better with what Christ said. The one is the Father AND Son.
Alex
Rene:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on May 18, 2014, 12:54:14 AM ---Still leaves us with more questions than answers... I've read that email a hundred times now. Didn't Dennis or Craig say that they often discussed this with Ray shortly before his death and that he wasn't able to make sense of it, even up until the end he didn't quite have it all there. I remember one of them mentioning that.
"To us there is one God: The Father...AND Jesus" - I understand very well the difference between a colon and a comma.... and yet it seems to become even more enigmatic when the colon is added though I do agree, it lines up much better with what Christ said. The one is the Father AND Son.
Alex
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I love meditating and searching deeper into this subject. Ray may not have fully understood this relationship between the Father and Jesus, but I believe Paul, an Apostle, certainly did.
Eph 1:2-3 - "Favour unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed, be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing, in the heavenlies, in Christ.
Eph 4:3-6 - "Giving diligence to keep—the oneness of the Spirit in the uniting-bond of peace, One body, and one spirit, even as ye were also called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one immersion, One God and Father of all—who is over all, and through all, and in all.
1Tim 1:1-2 - "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus—by injunction of God our Saviour and Christ Jesus our hope. ... favour, mercy, peace, from God our Father, and Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Tim 2:5 - "For there is one God, one mediator also, between God and men,—a man—Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:18 - "Because, through Him, we have our introduction—we both—in one Spirit, unto the Father.
René
John from Kentucky:
Ray understood the truth that God is One. Just read the end of his creed, which I have attached below. But as Ray said somewhere before, "There is a difference in knowing a truth and being able to explain a truth." Ray did not have the time or energy at the end to fully explain this truth.
I talked to Ray on the phone about this. I said I was stunned at where he was going with this enigma of God matter, and I thought most members on the Forum wouldn't get it. Ray told me we must all follow where the Spirit leads. I respected his wishes and did not discuss this matter further with him.
But at the end of Ray's creed, where he says Jesus is God's autobiography, I immediately understood what Ray was saying.
It doesn't take great intelligence to understand, just knowledge of what the English word "autobiography" means.
When someone writes an autobiography, are they writing about someone else? Or. Are they writing about themselves? Easy peasy.
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Actually, I have accumulated multiple Scriptures that prove the truth of Ray's creed. However, it would be a waste of my time to present them. Only God's Spirit can give understanding of spiritual truths.
In 1 Corinthians 8:6, Paul presents one of the master Scriptures, which clearly explains the nature of God. But who believes it? Most have to explain it away.
However, in the Scripture just below, in 1 Cor. 8:7, Paul states, However not all men have this knowledge... Paul was speaking to the Church. Few had this knowledge 2,000 years ago, and few of the chosen ones have this knowledge today. Which is by the will of God. I believe it will be the age to come when Jesus explains the nature of God to His Elect. But I thank God (through Ray) that He gave me a foretaste of this understanding. I find it very comforting.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Actually, I have accumulated multiple Scriptures that prove the truth of Ray's creed. However, it would be a waste of my time to present them. Only God's Spirit can give understanding of spiritual truths.
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Then it should not be a problem for you to wait patiently.
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 18, 2014, 06:02:19 PM ---
--- Quote ---Actually, I have accumulated multiple Scriptures that prove the truth of Ray's creed. However, it would be a waste of my time to present them. Only God's Spirit can give understanding of spiritual truths.
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Then it should not be a problem for you to wait patiently.
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
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No problemo Dennis. I'm a big fat oyster with a pearl inside. ;D ;D ;D
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