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walt123:
Good post moises.

Here is food for thought.

http://youtu.be/U5EV1Fx8Hc4


Matthew 6:21
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
21 for where your treasure is, there will be also your heart.

WALT.

lareli:
Moises I'm not arguing your points. I only commented on your statement "when the time and opportunity is favorable" because you made that statement twice. Once in your OP and again in your reply to my question. You never did answer my question though.

acomplishedartis:

--- Quote from: largeli on May 28, 2014, 04:03:09 PM ---Moises are you saying that if a child gives all he has to the poor that it's because the child is naive?

--- End quote ---

In certain time and situation, Yes. 

Look, I grew up in a "3rd world nation", and there comes a point when you can no longer give, because you will become just as poor.

In my past I have been in abundance and also in times on need. But thanks God I am learning to become content whatever my situation. Really I am not against giving, how could I, when I have been in both sides.

When you wish to give but you can't, It's then when you realize that even the good wish towards others well fare counts to God. Just as well as it works the opposite: when you wish to do something wrong but for whatever reason you can't. God knows the heart.
The heart is deceitful among all things. That's why I am just saying that when giving we should try to love God with all our minds as well.

acomplishedartis:

--- Quote from: largeli on May 28, 2014, 03:56:53 PM ---'First let me bury my father, then I will follow you.'

'First let me bid my family farewell, then I will follow you.' In other words, when the time and opportunity is favorable.

--- End quote ---


You are taking that verse out of the context with my statement. That verse is talking about what Jesus was asking on that particular occasion to that man. Because he knew what was in his heart's treasure. Have you sell already all you have and give it to the poor?

When I say that we should give to non-believers ''when time and opportunity is favorable'', is because there are times when time and opportunity are not favorable. Like for example, I have 2 bucks left to get the train, but I feel in my hard so hard (out of compulsion) to give it to that homeless... you might do it once or twice, but after a while you start questioning your self. I mean, sometimes people feel bad with themselves for not giving enough as if their where all responsible of the world's present condition. And I could bring so many other examples.


(WNT) 2Co 9:5  I have thought it absolutely necessary therefore to request these brethren to visit you before I myself come, and to make sure beforehand that the gift of love which you have already promised may be ready as a gift of love, and may not seem to have been something which I have extorted from you.
2Co 9:6  But do not forget that he who sows with a niggardly hand will also reap a niggardly crop, and that he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
2Co 9:7  Let each contribute what he has decided upon in his own mind, and not do it reluctantly or under compulsion. "IT IS A CHEERFUL GIVER THAT GOD LOVES."
2Co 9:8  And God is able to bestow every blessing on you in abundance, so that richly enjoying all sufficiency at all times, you may have ample means for all good works.

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Here is a good explanation of the verse you are quoting:
(ARE YOU RICH AND INCREASED WITH GOODS? from Mobile conference 2009).
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.0.html?PHPSESSID=eafjmkb5n4ri57h9u6u62ihql4


I certainly do not have the time to cover many way that you are “yet carnal.”  But my hope is that covering a few in more detail, that it will prepare your minds to obey all such commandments and admonitions from God’s Word. 

Mat 6:21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Alright let’s go through it.  Luke 18, you know the story but we’re going to take a quick look at it.

Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked Him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
v. 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why do you call Me good? There is none good, but one, that is God.

Some people would use that to prove that Christ cannot be referred to as God, because He said “only God (speaking of His Father here) is good.”  But when He said this, He had divested Himself of all His power and glory, so He was in human form in the weakened state of flesh.

v. 20 You know the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother.
v. 21 And he said, All these have I done from my youth.
v. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, He said unto him, You lack one thing, sell all that you have, and distribute it unto the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come, follow Me.

He was offering him apostleship, not discipleship, apostleship. He turned it down!
It’s like:
Christ - How would you like to be My apostle?
Certain ruler - Yeah okay, what will it cost me?
Christ - Everything you’ve got.
Certain ruler - Nope, too high a price.

v. 23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
v. 24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, how hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God.

Now, if you think this is a small subject, a physical small subject, you know this filthy lucre - money and this is not important in God’s realm of things.
Chapter 18 -- the whole chapter deals with money.
Chapter 19 -- the whole chapter is centered around money and riches and what you do with them.
Chapter 20 -- centers around money and riches and wealth.
Chapter 21 -- same thing.

You think that it isn’t important? I mean, when God mentions something two or three times in the Bible, it’s pretty important… four whole chapters! Okay? Alright.

He KNEW the commandments of God and he obeyed them from his youth!   So, he went away sorrowful. Was that being spiritually minded or carnally minded? [Attendees: Carnally minded.] He wanted to know what he needed to do to inherit eternal life... he went away sorrowful. He was carnally minded, which ends in? [Death.] That wasn’t what he wanted, was it? If he had said, what should I do if I want to inherit death? Jesus could have said, keep doing what you’ve always been doing… enjoy your money.

But they say, ‘yeah, Jesus asked A LOT of the rich man to give up all his money.’ Guess what? Jesus asks A LOT of us, a lot. He didn’t say you couldn’t get in the kingdom of God, but he said it is nigh onto, almost impossible.

What if anything then can a rich man do to enter the Kingdom?  In the next chapter (Luke 19) we have the story of Zacchaeus, he was rich.  He was a short guy who couldn’t see Him, so he climbed a tree or whatever.  They criticized him… he said, 'Lord I know I’m not a perfect man, but half of everything I have, HALF, I give to the poor.'  Now He didn’t ask him to give all. I think Zacchaeus was probably old and Jesus probably didn’t want him as an apostle or maybe he didn’t have those talents or whatever. He didn’t offer him apostleship, but he volunteered that he gave half of his riches to the poor and with Jesus that was fine. He said, “salvation come to this house…” (Luke 19:9).  He said you’ve got the right attitude.


 

ez2u:
praise God from whom all blesssing come,  love this subject.  how can we know the intent of the heart?  am pretty much a giver i would rather be wrong and give than to not give.....  it makes me happy inside.  don't think a lot about it. I can't tell you how it feels inside to help another out.  I pray and ask God to send people to help and He does.  When my husband passes on am going to give away almost everything i have and live very simply i can't stand all this stuff that was so needed when the children were young.  I hope to find a young poor family to give it to i know they will have problems, doesn't everyone? I just want to give to someone else because when i was young until i was in my early 30's we had nothing and trying to raise 3 children ( that was my first husband) I grew up very poor too and all around, in the Christian world too, people had nice things that i did not have.  This really hurt me i would say God what is wrong with me why do they get nice things and not my family.  Now i understand and really appreciate  what i have but i don't need nice things anymore i need simplicity and to do the will of the Father. that is all so i hope the Lord will send someone my way to help, like He help me a little and to let them know God really does love them.  its just a beginning sometimes.  The word says " don't throw your pearls before the swine nature"  so pray is so important in giving but things of the world items, money, they are just the world system. God has always meant my needs and show me through poverty His divine will.  I have so many beautiful stories of this as those 3 poor children grew.  Giving isn't always for the receiver as much as the giver.  our poverty is more spiritual than physical in this country.  Its amazing when you come to know Jesus Christ how so many things change. What is rich what is poor? 

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