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Gen 1 v 26 Gen 2v 7 & 9 2 creations ??
Ian 155:
Hi all ,
I have been spending a wee bit of time checking these particular scriptures out and meditating on them.
NOT SURE IF RAY HAS SAID MUCH ABOUT THESE BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE 2 CREATIONS of Man Gen 1 v 26 & 27 then Adam whom he placed Separately in"the Garden" Gen 2 v 8 .I have always thought this is one and the same however when Cain was exiled Gen 4 v 17 it does mention a wife possibly from Nod - i.e not from Adam
then Chapter 5 gets even more interesting ...
Gen 5 v 2 Male and Female created he them and called their name Adam
in this genealogy of chapter 5, Cain nor Able are mentioned, but starts with Seth
these two creations Gen 1 v 26 and Gen 2 v 8 to me are possibly those called and those chosen ??
New testament talks of the 1st Adam in relation to Jesus 1Cor 15v45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.
please pray bout this before posting I have a feeling this is a parable of note...
Ian
John from Kentucky:
I don't know what praying before posting has to do with it. What will be, will be.
Jesus is the Word, and He wrote both the Old and New Testaments. He just didn't start using parables in the New Testament. It has been long known that the creation accounts have deep spiritual meanings.
Adam is the Hebrew name for mankind, humankind. Eve is the name of the mother of all living.
The great false church and the funnymentalists teach that the creation stories are literal.
Only the Spirit of God gives understanding to those to whom it is given.
Kat:
Hi Ian,
Here are a few more things to think about.
Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Who would have been calling Adam and his line "sons of God?" Probably those people he had told God had created him. And who were the "daughters of men?" The children of the 'other' people around them.
The New Testament many times refers to the Gentiles, the nations, strangers, Aliens and often called dogs and made them slaves... Why? They were those people outside the line of Adam and not to inherit the promises given to Abraham and down to the Israelites and the Jews of the New Testament times.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made.
The people that were not 'God's people' were considered little more valuable than an animal, very much looked down on, because they were not the chosen people, not from the line of Adam and Eve. Paul went to these Gentiles and knew very well who they were and here is what he spoke of these people.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
v. 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Rene:
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NOT SURE IF RAY HAS SAID MUCH ABOUT THESE BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE 2 CREATIONS of Man Gen 1 v 26 & 27 then Adam whom he placed Separately in"the Garden" Gen 2 v 8 .I have always thought this is one and the same however when Cain was exiled Gen 4 v 17 it does mention a wife possibly from Nod - i.e not from Adam
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Hi Ian,
Ray spoke briefly on this subject at the 2008 Nashville Conference. Here is what he said:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9130.0.html
FIRST HUMANS
Now I talked a little, not during the conference so much, but in some of the bull sessions in the evening we had. Where it was said, ‘were Adam and Eve the first humans?’ Well, I said, not necessarily and I gave numerous reasons for that. I thought of another one here just yesterday, so I’ll throw this out just for fun and just to think about. I’m not making some big stand on this.
I used to think where it says God formed man from the dust of the ground (Gen. 2:7), He’s just going back to explain in more detail what He did in chapter 1. But I’m thinking that’s not tenable either.
So let’s ask ourselves, when God created herbs and things, did He just create one? One piece of moss, one blade of grass? Or did He make grass, a lot of grass and a lot of things. Well let me explain this, because I don’t know if I did this at the conference. Notice where it says in verse 11.
Gen. 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass…
“Let the earth bring forth grass,” now that’s an interesting statement. It doesn’t say God created - bara or made - asah, grass. Now to make something out of what already exists is to asah, you make it out of preexisting material. To create, bara in Hebrew, means you bring in something that did not exist before. But how do we get the first plant life on the earth? How did God do it? Does it say God created the trees, God created the grass? No. You can read it with your own eyes. He said, “let the earth bring it forth.” Now can we believe it? Can we believe God made the earth in such a way that the earth could bring it forth, when He commanded it? Yes. Not aside from God, not without God, but at His command. He said “Let the earth bring forth the grass.”
Now notice there’s a progression. Let the earth bring forth and it says “the grass,” that word I think it is deshe, it just means green. Interesting. What do the scientists tell us is the first form of plant life on earth? Single cell microscopic algae, very tiny things that need little or no light. Now we have light, we read light in the above verses. The light does not because clean and clear until the next day, but there was light. Primitive type mosses and algae and things apparently do not require much light.
But notice a progression, first it says, “brings forth grass (no. 1),” it says grass, but the word just means plant, green plant.
Gen. 1:11 the herb yielding seed (no. 2), and the fruit tree (no. 3) yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Now what do science finds are the progression of plants? You start with the primitive, they can be somewhat advanced, until you finally have whole trees producing fruit. What is one of the last things in plant life that comes on the scene according to the geological table? It’s a very recent addition… flowers. Flowers are relatively new to plant life in the geological time scale.
So obviously He didn’t make one blade of grass or one piece of algae, there was a multitude. Now notice when we come over to verse 20.
Gen 1:20 And God said, let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creatures, that hath life.
Did He just make one male and one female fish or was there an abundance of them? Then we go on verse 21, “He made the great tanniyn.” Which I believe you know are the dinosaurs, the reptiles.
Then we have the cattle, verse 24. Did He just make one cow and one bull, is that it? Well, it says He made cattle.
Well then when we come down to verse 26, it says “God said, Let Us make man…” But the Hebrew is ‘humanity.’ “Let us make humanity.” Did He really just make one man and one woman? That’s not what He did with all the other things, did He? Look at it.
Gen. 1:27 Let Us make humanity in Our image after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle…
Remember, I pointed out it doesn’t say let them have dominion over the great tanniyn, the dinosaurs. Why? Because they were extinct for 50 million years.
“In the image of God created He him.“ That’s what it says, but that’s not in the Hebrew. It just says, “In the image of God created.” That’s all, it doesn’t say “He him.” Concordant puts “created it.” God created it, humanity, it. So it just says “in the image of God created.” He created, but to make the English more understandable, they put in “…created He him.” God created him, but the “him” is not in there.
“Male and female created.” Now in our translation, it says “male and female He created them.” So it’s pretty difficult to say, ‘well there was one man and one woman.’ He created humanity, He created humanity male and He created humanity female. Humanity, okay.
Now when we come to Adam and Eve, He gives them a name and we know it’s just one. Are they the first ones though? Maybe not. Because we later have Cain, that says his sentence is too great, wherever I go, they will kill me (Gen. 4:13-14). Who will kill him? Who? There was only Abel and he killed Abel. So if there’s only Adam and Eve and their two sons, Cain and Abel… well Cain killed Abel, so now there’s only one man left, and his mother and father. He says to God, wherever I go, “anyone who finds me will kill me." Who? He killed the only other man alive on earth. Well if we interpret it that way, there are problems. Then Cain took a wife… so there’d be all these other things to contend with and so on. Alright.
Ian 155:
Thanks guys - been out of computer land for a while ... couple of things have arisen in my studies
correct John My limited understanding Adam (humankind) or (Mankind ) not just singular - Gen 1v26 Male and female he created them..
next chapter Adam created for the sole purpose of Tilling the soil or preparing the spiritual ground or John the baptizer( eden perhaps a type of canaan/heaven )
all woman come out of Man all men come out of man and yet all come out of God
Christ first referred himself "The Son OF Man" and he became at Gods choosing The Son Of God' -
why I said prayfully consider before posting is that it is not a cut and dry answer and JFK, would unravel and rattle much of our lowly knowledge on our way to the kingdom -
"Have I not Chosen 12 of you ? yet one of you is a devil" with no reference to John of course
thinking aloud again - there is much Much more to this - it does not seem to interest members right now so perhaps place on the back burner
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