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God 'changed his mind'
santgem:
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John, what knowledge do you think Christ Jesus did not have? I do not even understand that way of thinking.
Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
He was God even while He was in the flesh on earth and certainly retained the knowledge of God... He knew He was the great I AM (John 8:58).
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
He declared He was "the truth"... what knowledge is lacking in The Truth?
Mat 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father...
Christ made this statement well before His crucifixion, He always retained His knowledge and His power in the flesh, He did work many miracles and even as a 12 year old boy He stunned the teachers in the Temple with His knowledge (Luke 2). But after His resurrection He did state "all authority" was given Him.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
He obtained all authority by His sacrifice "the blood of sprinkling" to become the Mediator and High Priest.
Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Heb 2:17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
v. 18 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi kat,
Greetings!
Can you please enlighten us more for the benefit of us who know little, on this verse that not all the Son knows.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. Mat 24:36
Kat:
Hi santgem,
That Scripture is speaking of the future plan of God, certainly Christ knows the plan of God for this world. This whole creation is of the Father's design and His determination, Christ does not set the dates of things, the Father does.
John 8:28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.
Acts 1:7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
This should clearly prove one thing, that Christ is not the Father. But to equate His not knowing that date to not having 'all' knowledge is really absurd. I believe wanting to know this date is a carnal desire, and Christ would have known that people would want to know this of Him, He had no need to know it's exact timing, nor reveal it, therefore He would not lie when they ask Him of it.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
Yes Kat.
Rene:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 16, 2014, 07:49:02 PM ---
As a human, Jesus did not possess all knowledge. But after His resurrection, Jesus said He had all power in heaven and earth.
--- Quote from: Kat on July 16, 2014, 10:02:56 PM ---
John, what knowledge do you think Christ Jesus did not have? I do not even understand that way of thinking.
Kat
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In harmony with what Kathy is saying, Jesus Christ is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and the scriptures bare out that He knew where He came from and where was going back to when He was in the flesh.
John 8:14 – “Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.” (ESV)
John 13:3 – “Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God" (ESV)
Here is a comment Ray made at his last bible study in March of 2011. He was replying to comments about Jesus "emptying" himself to come in the flesh. (Rays comments in blue)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12896.0.html
March 2011 Bible study – Is Jesus God
"See I don’t think He emptied Himself of everything that was all knowledge, everything. I don’t think so. [Comment: Maybe He emptied Himself of something.] Yes He did, of course He did. He emptied Himself of some prior glory that He had."
rick:
This thread is blowing me away, Im starting to see things I had not understood before. I know Jesus is a created being but at the same time He is also God to me because everything that was made was made by Jesus.
I always thought Jesus was inferior to God the Father because God the Father always existed whereas Christ was created.
I’m starting to see that the entire bible is about Jesus, is it right to say that it was Jesus who spoke to Moses from the burning bush? Or was it a messenger sent from God who was speaking ? Was it Jesus who said ( I am that I am ) or was it a messenger from God ?
Would it be right to say that God the Father and Jesus are totally equal in knowledge and power ? :-\
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