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greenef:
Hi All:
In the transcript from Ray's "How we got the Bible". I question Ray's acount of the day Stephen was stoned. Below is an excerpt from that transcript.
"Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7)."
I have read most of Ray's work and I do believe he was the most knowledgeable writer that I have ever known. But I do believe Ray may have miss spoke here. I do believe Stephen's stoning came at a much later date.
Let me know what you think.
Frank
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: greenef on July 02, 2014, 07:31:51 AM ---Hi All:
In the transcript from Ray's "How we got the Bible". I question Ray's acount of the day Stephen was stoned. Below is an excerpt from that transcript.
"Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7)."
I have read most of Ray's work and I do believe he was the most knowledgeable writer that I have ever known. But I do believe Ray may have miss spoke here. I do believe Stephen's stoning came at a much later date.
Let me know what you think.
Frank
--- End quote ---
Ray never said his writings were perfect. But how would this affect anything? How would this change your beliefs?
Dennis Vogel:
If you suspect you are chosen in this life then this describes you:
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
If anything church people are better than we are until we are converted and endured more than a few trials.
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Kat:
Hi Frank,
Well I can't say what Ray was implying when he said "that very day," he had mentioned Pentecost though. But this was at a conference where he was just speaking freely, if it had been a written article he probably would have been more precise. But actually I don't think that Stephen martyr was very long after Pentecost. Here is a timeline on those events surrounding it.
Crucifixion - Resurrection - and Ascension of Jesus Christ, 30-31CE
Pentecost, falls on the tenth day after Ascension, 30-31CE
Stephen was stoned to death by an infuriated mob, approved by Saul of Tarsus in Jerusalem in 30/32CE
Conversion of Saul to Paul the Apostle, it is normally dated by researchers from 32 C.E. (most likely) and all the way to 36 C.E.
As you can see the date of Stephen's death is not stated in Scripture, but it can be deduced from the book of Acts that it was probably soon after Pentecost. Because it was sometime 'before' Paul conversion. Stephen was appointed as one of the deacons, which must have taken place fairly soon after Pentecost, since there are thousands of followers of Jesus after the two sermons Acts 2 and 3. There was probably only a couple of years from Pentecost till Paul's conversion and sometime during that period was when Stephen was killed.
Anyway Ray was speaking of the prophecy that's in Joel 2 about the sun would be darkened and the moon turned to blood... and it certainly was very soon after Christ started His church at Pentecost that the Apostasy set in, when Stephen was martyred in a brutal/bloody way.
Just wanted to give you my take on this, hope it made sense :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
santgem:
God blinded some and the Devil blinds too......
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
2Co 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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