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rick:
The scriptures say , if we judge ourselves then we won't be judge, my question is how do we judge ourselves ?

If I do something that's not right I agree with God I'm wrong, I won't say what I believe to be wrong is right. Having said that, it doesn't make me better than the one who says wrong is right.

So how do we judge ourselves and in judging ourselves can we change what we do ? I'm just a little confused because I believe in ( no free will ) Yes I understand I have a will but every choice I make has a cause behind it so I cannot make and uncased choice at any given moment at any given time.

It would be awesome to hear other views on this subject.



God Bless you all.   :-\

Rene:
Hi Rick,

The scripture you are referencing is found in 1Cor. 11:31-32, "But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world."

I understand this "judging ourselves" as being a process of daily awareness of our conduct and behavior in this world.  God's Elect are being "disciplined" and "chastened" NOW.  It is more than just acknowledging that we did or said something wrong, it is growing to hate our carnal nature and all that comes with it.  It is an incredibly humbling experience the Lord will take you through as you grow to see who you are at heart.

Here are a few statements Ray made on the subject:


http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html

Now I hope that none will be offended at my next few statements, but if so, so be it. Unless God Almighty through the purging power of His FIERY SPIRIT, is BURNING OUT the lusts and passions and vanity and haughtiness and greed and self-righteousness and laziness and weakness and hypocrisy and wickedness and pride and materialism and cynicism and depravity and carnality in your life, then Jesus Christ is not choosing you to reign with Him as the Sons of God in the Kingdom of God to bring all Heaven and Earth to repentance and salvation!

http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm

There can be no argument against the fact that God's Elect are to "bow their knee" NOW in this Church age or we will find ourselves in the next age when, "Because He has appointed a day in the which He will judge the world in righteousness..." Acts 17:31). During our calling, we stand before the Judgment of Jesus and give an account daily of the works done in our flesh. How do we actually do this? Paul instructs us: "For if we would judge ourselves..." (I Cor. 15:31). This is how we are to be judged.

Notice how Paul's statement is in perfect agreement with that of Jesus: "And if your right eye offend you, [you] pluck it out... And if your right hand offend you, [you] cut it off..." (Matt. 5:29-30).

Isn't that amazing? That's how Jesus Judges US. He helps us judge OURSELVES! It is voluntary. But if we do not volunteer to judge ourselves, guess what? "...for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish [voluntarily] and not that your whole body should be cast [Gk: ballo-'throw violently or intensely' against your will] into Gehenna [fire]" (Ver. 30)

"For if we would judge ourselves we should not be judged... we should not be condemned with the world" (I Cor. 11:31-32). 

 

Kat:

Hi Rick,

Paul was very outspoken and specific on how believers should live and judge themselves or crucified their flesh.

Gal 5:13-26  For you, brothers, were called to freedom. Only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity to gratify your flesh, but through love make it your habit to serve one another. For the whole Law is summarized in a single statement:

"You must love your neighbor as yourself."

But if you bite and devour one another, be careful that you are not destroyed by each other. So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will never fulfill the desires of the flesh. For what the flesh wants is opposed to the Spirit, and what the Spirit wants is opposed to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, and so you do not do what you want to do. But if you are being led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Now the actions of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, rivalry, jealously, outbursts of anger, quarrels, conflicts, factions, envy, murder, drunkenness, wild partying, and things like that. I am telling you now, as I have told you in the past, that people who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. Now those who belong to the Messiah Jesus have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also be guided. Let's stop being arrogant, provoking one another and envying one another. (International Standard Version)

Just a little addition to what has already been said.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

rick:

Thanks Rene for your explanation.

Would you agree if what one does, either bothers them or at least acknowledge’s something or some things in their life that are not right then could one say Christ is working in that one’s life?

The information I found here at B.T. has taken the greatest fear I once had which for me was  death, my belief system was far from the truth of Gods plan for all humans beings.

I know God is calling out for Himself a people here and now and also I realize its nothing personal if God is not calling a particular person.

Thanks to B.T. I realize God’s elect are being called now and all others later. No one is going to be excluded which speaks volumes of the love of God to me even though God may hate some of us now but His hatred will not last throughout the ages without end.

I guess what I’m trying to understand is what side of the fence I stand on, I never heard and audible voice from God to me saying I’m one of the elect.

I can say how much I have personally been comforted by the truths I have come to understand from B.T. whether I’m saved or not I can with honesty say God is awesome to me. Perhaps there are some things I want to know that only time will tell or the resurrection for sure .


I do see some changes in certain things in my life, things I just don’t want to do anymore that I once enjoyed but I can’t say I hate those things but I just don’t want to do those thing which are not right but there are other things I do that I would not prefer to do .

I just don’t want to assume that any changes in me are necessarily changes brought about by Christ. People change over time, for instance when I was in my early twenties I could party all night long but today, no thank you, I’m done with that sort of thing.

Did Christ bring about that change or did I finally grow up and realize there is no wisdom in that sort of life style?

I’m a human being, there is nothing special about me, all praise, honor and glory belong to God .

lilitalienboi16:
Great thread rick! Thank you for posting this. The responses have been very edifying. I certainly had a burst of anger yesterday... and then I tried convincing someone of something against their will. How foolish of me and arrogant.

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