I edited this and wanted to include an part from one of Ray's teachings on the physical before the spiritual of Twelve God-Given Truths paper.....
God willfully, wantingly, knowingly, purposely, and wisely, created mankind "subject to vanity," subject to failure, but beyond the failure, God also subjects the same in "hope." Once again, contrary to all orthodox doctrine, there is hope for all of God’s carnal-minded, God-hating people on planet Earth. God Himself says so, in the same breath: "because the creature itself [the same creation that God subjects to vanity, futility, failure, and carnal-minded hatred against God] also shall be [ah, did you catch that? ‘shall be’], delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Rom. 8:21). Do you believe the Scriptures? Really—what about this one?
And so God, "made the creature subject to vanity"—failure, but later in mankind’s development, the creature "shall be"— [future tense]… shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption." Ah yes, God created them in a condition of "bondage" and "corruption," and therefore not "immortal" as is taught, but rather in "bondage of corruption." But thanks to God, in the resurrection of the dead, ‘…this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality’ (I Cor. 15:54).
Yes, of course, first comes the PHYSICAL (death), and then the SPIRITUAL (life). There it is—the hope of all humanity. Corruption and mortality (the physical first) must put on incorruption and immortality [the afterward spiritual).
I think we spend too much time denying the physical being that we all are. Animals have it....humankind has it.....why do we put such a negative spin or sin upon a natural desire to procreate or lust? If animals did not have it there would be no continuation of any species....and if our humanity did not have it....the same would be true. Humanity as we all know and through the scriptures have put something of an evil doctrine into our sexuality! What I have learned about most of humanity is that we most times over indulge or do not simply hunt for need, or sex for procreation. We do things for pleasure and our sinful nature brings us to corrupt a thing. Anything! All things were created by our Father. Having eaten from the tree we are now aware of our actions....weather good or evil. This also gives the ability to do both good and evil. At what point does our sexuality, or desire to have sexual relations become evil? I know what the scriptures say, yet most of Religious groups and 99.75436% of Christianity find sex bad and or evil! As ray would say this is a an oxymoron.....a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. A contradiction! Most of this is about control and putting fear into the hearts of men and women. Power, money, corruption, etc etc etc. To be a leader in the early movement when the Gospels and letters were written, one had to be the husband of but one wife! Which meant obviously men and women were having over indulgence with marriage and sex. Lets consider David. A skirt chaser if you you will and his son: Solomon....the ultimate man with wives' and concubines. Some 1000 women were in his palace and either his wives or pledged in marriage. Imagine being number 673 and you may or may get to sleep with him for a 2 years or so if he had one a night....(who knows what the practices were but obviously.....he wanted them all) Over indulgence? Each man that sleeps with a woman, she would become his wife. It was not simply a ceremony or a piece of paper or a legal binding it was a covenant. All covenants are made in blood. When a woman is a virgin she would bleed and both man and woman would be covered in blood and a covenant. This is marriage and what sex was intended to be. I tell my brothers that every woman they have had sexual relations with are indeed their wives! Few agree with me but even more do not agree with our Father. Which is where we sin. To me the over indulgence or even the under appreciation for something created for our humanity is where we fall short, or miss the mark. Sin. As you all know we are forgiven in Christ, and we will all be changed and made into his Spiritual image.....which is of course that of Christ. We will all become what God has intended. I wish the shame and tears and haughty nature of humanity could be humbled by the word while in the flesh. We all are aware that this will happen. But not how we think it will happen. Not in our time or our conceived perceptions of repentance. Ray has opened our eyes and ears as well as our dead spirits as to these deeper meanings on such topics. Alex I am 45 and still a virgin yet I too have fallen into this lust and sin......though not in body but in mind and spirit. WE will all be changed into his Spiritual image.
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