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Rhys 🕊:
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Seriously, I’m telling you the truth. Why subject your family to false doctrine ? It’s all the church has to offer. ;)
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Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus died for our sins.
Is this false doctrine?
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Not only do they not believe Jesus died, as JFK pointed out, but they also don't believe He died (or was crucified and went to hell) for our sins. Okay, maybe our sins, but they don't believe He also paid for the sins of the whole world, as 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:14 plainly state.
The Church will also say "God is love" and "God is sovereign"---but they deny these two truths more vehemently than any other.
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adding to the bandwagon:
Jesus is a total failure......He cannot save the world. Most of the humanity will be barbecued in hell forever and ever...... :) :D ;)
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They must serve an excellent steak in that place.........hot sauce anyone ;D
Rhys
Farlsborough:
I'm going to play devil's advocate, I suspect most will disagree!
I'm in the UK and I do go to our local Anglican church. Why? Certainly not for the in-depth teaching, but for the community aspect. Unless you have several local friends and families who all subcribe to the truths found here, it's going to be a lonely existence and what is more, you're likely to find your opportunities to share these truths are limited.
Our church is very inclusive, and yes, that means that plenty of the people who come aren't even Christians, and some would just about agree with some of the "nicer" doctrines but would baulk at anything harder to swallow. But I don't confuse our local church with "THE CHURCH", i.e. the worldwide body of true believers.
Interestingly, we had a recent Bible study evening about hell and so on, and essentially our vicar outlined precisely the truths found here as his beliefs! He has never openly preached about this (his sermons tend to be gentle, reflective, "thought for the day" stuff). I first found BT as I studied around some challenges given to me by a member of my church small group, who was already wise regarding UR. I have found several opportunities already to get fellow congregants thinking about these issues.
Finally - and this isn't quite the same in the USA I don't think - but we do have an "established church" in the UK. Even in a small village there will be a parish church, who's vicar also performs pastoral visits to the infirm and elderly. You can be an atheist with no family who has never been to church, but if you are dying and would like to speak to a vicar at 3am, there will be someone there for you. Personally I think that is valuable. And that means that if you are having a tough time, you move to a new town and you decide to randomly go to church, there will be an Anglican church nearby that should welcome you.
So one of the other reasons I go is because anyone wondering about God, "seeking" etc. is likely to head there as a first port of call, and I can welcome them, invite them to dinner, help them think about these things even if they're not even sure whether they believe in God or not, well before we start talking about deeper scriptural truths.
Craig:
Sounds like your congregation is right for you and know this, God has you where you need to be at this point in time.
Craig
Abednego:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 22, 2014, 09:41:06 AM ---Sounds like your congregation is right for you and know this, God has you where you need to be at this point in time.
Craig
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Exactly, and that about takes care of this...
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indianabob:
New friend Farlsborough,
I'm one who believes that God selects the folks God will work with early in their lives.
We don't know when, but it could in some cases even be generational.
I was born in 1935 into a Presbyterian family that didn't discuss religion or attend services very often. We observed all the traditions such as Christmas & Halloween but there was no Bible study, not even when I joined the church youth groups or Boy Scouts. We just belonged to that congregation and fellowshiped with them loved our minister etc. similar to your own experience.
I've since been through 30 years of Worldwide (sabbath keeping) and 15 years of independent study to arrive at this point in my journey and what I have learned is that God is VERY patient and LONG SUFFERING with those God has chosen to train to become His servants/friends. God lets us learn through personal experience rather than demanding immediate obedience in most instances. So I'm confident that God will let you share you new understanding with as many friends as you desire and let you learn from that opportunity.
I will be interested to learn how it all plays out during the next few years. Please do share from time to time.
Sincerely, Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: Farlsborough on July 22, 2014, 09:00:54 AM ---I'm going to play devil's advocate, I suspect most will disagree!
I'm in the UK and I do go to our local Anglican church. Why? Certainly not for the in-depth teaching, but for the community aspect. Unless you have several local friends and families who all subcribe to the truths found here, it's going to be a lonely existence and what is more, you're likely to find your opportunities to share these truths are limited.
Our church is very inclusive, and yes, that means that plenty of the people who come aren't even Christians, and some would just about agree with some of the "nicer" doctrines but would baulk at anything harder to swallow. But I don't confuse our local church with "THE CHURCH", i.e. the worldwide body of true believers.
Interestingly, we had a recent Bible study evening about hell and so on, and essentially our vicar outlined precisely the truths found here as his beliefs! He has never openly preached about this (his sermons tend to be gentle, reflective, "thought for the day" stuff). I first found BT as I studied around some challenges given to me by a member of my church small group, who was already wise regarding UR. I have found several opportunities already to get fellow congregants thinking about these issues.
Finally - and this isn't quite the same in the USA I don't think - but we do have an "established church" in the UK. Even in a small village there will be a parish church, who's vicar also performs pastoral visits to the infirm and elderly. You can be an atheist with no family who has never been to church, but if you are dying and would like to speak to a vicar at 3am, there will be someone there for you. Personally I think that is valuable. And that means that if you are having a tough time, you move to a new town and you decide to randomly go to church, there will be an Anglican church nearby that should welcome you.
So one of the other reasons I go is because anyone wondering about God, "seeking" etc. is likely to head there as a first port of call, and I can welcome them, invite them to dinner, help them think about these things even if they're not even sure whether they believe in God or not, well before we start talking about deeper scriptural truths.
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