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Kat:
Hi largeli,
Yes we all have come from the church, we need to have gone through it in order to really know it. But once we are released from that prison of deception by God's good grace, should we then and go back and visit it? Is that not like a slap in the face of God for what He has delivered us from?
Luke 9:62 But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
I have no animosity towards the church whatsoever, it is what it is... but I cannot visit in good conscience and join them as if it does not matter what they teach and stand for. I won't say I would not attend a funeral in a church, but that is of necessity sometimes.
Here are some excerpts from the article '23 Minutes in Hell.'
http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html -----
Scriptures blow away virtually all of the damning and unscriptural doctrines of Christendom-the immortal soul, man's supposed 'free will, the unnecessary doctrine of resurrecting dead people, the 'in this life only' theory of salvation, the sentencing before judgment teaching, the failure of Jesus to "BE the Saviour of the world," the failure of Jesus to take away all the sins of the world, the "God is justified in torturing billions for all eternity" blasphemy, the failure of God to be "ALL in All," the blasphemous teaching that man's will is greater than God's, and that man can thwart God's plan through his fabled free will, God desires to save all humanity, but it just won't happen. Etc., etc., etc.
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for over ten years now, have been warning people over the Worldwide Web, of the many damnable and evil teachings and practices of the Church. And of all the false teachings, there is no greater blasphemy than to accuse God of making the ultimate terrorist torture chamber where He apparently will vent His frustration and inability to save most of His creatures. Don't you be guilty of such a sin by teaching it or condoning those who do teach it.
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So why the big deal? Why do I take the time and go into so much detail concerning Bill's book and the Christian doctrine of an eternal hell of torture?
Why? Because Bill's book and this Christian doctrine promote the most damnable heresy on the face of the earth in the history of the world, that's why. People by the millions (billions) have been brainwashed into accepting this obscene and spiritual pornographic smut. I want to totally discredit Bill's entire fabricated evil swill.
To attribute such vile character to the God of creation, the God of our Lord and Saviour, the God of the Holy Scriptures, is the ultimate blasphemy!
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orthodox Christians do NOT believe that when Jesus was nailed to the cross and died for the sins of the world, that he really died and was dead. No, they think that Jesus' body died, but that Jesus Himself (the real Jesus) [1] Went to hell, or [2] Went to heaven, or [3] Went to paradise--anything but TO THE GRAVE. Only His physical body died and only His physical body was buried, therefore, according to the "souls never die" heresy, Jesus is not the Saviour of the world--the Saviour of World is a CADAVAR!!
Jesus contradicts these lying frauds: "I am He that lives and was DEAD" (Rev. 1:18). On the third day, God the Father did not bring Jesus back from sheol, or hades, or hell, or heaven, or paradise, but rather "God the Father raised Jesus from the DEAD" (Gal. 1:1). They teach such unscriptural heresy because if Jesus was DEAD when He died, then we too are DEAD when we die. And being dead, we don't "go" anywhere--not to heaven, not to paradise, and not to hell.
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It seems impossible to believe for most Christians, that the Church of God is God's Church, and yet it is at the same time "The Throne of Satan" (Rev. 2:13). Virtually all Christians that have ever lived came into a knowledge of Jesus Christ through the Church. But then they read how that the Church is filled with enemies of God, doctrines of demons, where many spiritual crimes and character flaws are touted as virtues.
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SATAN'S MINISTERS AND PASTORS APPEAR RIGHTEOUS
"And no marvel; for Satan HIMSELF is transformed into an AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. Therefore it is no great thing if HIS MINISTERS also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Cor. 11:14-15)
No, Satan is not transformed into a devil in a red suit, with a tail and a pitchfork.
Nor are Satan's ministers transformed into hideously ugly and deformed demons. Satan presents himself to the world as an "Angel of light," and his ministers are seen (yes, Satan's angels can be seen, but not his demons) as "Ministers of righteousness."
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One day this whole Christian charade will be exposed for the whole world to see.
"Mystery Babylon" will no longer be a mystery to anyone. "For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" (Luke 8:17). Satan's ministers will be exposed. Paul shows us an allegory concerning the Church down through the centuries:
"For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who is of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which genders to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all" (Gal. 4:44-26)
In Scripture, the Church is likened to a woman. Jerusalem that is in bondage and Jerusalem that is from above which is free. The fraction of the Church in bondage is a woman who rides a beast: "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her..." (Rev. 17:7);
"And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning" (Rev. 18:9)
Mystery Babylon is that portion of the Church which has the ministers of Satan as their teachers and pastors. And those whom God is calling to repentance and obedience to Him are admonished to come out of that system:
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, 'Come out of her My people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues" (Rev. 18:4)
God's "people" are warned to "come out of" Mystery Babylon the Great. Unless they come out of physical, carnal Jerusalem, they cannot enter into "Jerusalem which is above" which is free, and which is "the mother of us all."
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Rhys 🕊:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 29, 2014, 08:21:38 PM ---
Yes we all have come from the church, we need to have gone through it in order to really know it. But once we are released from that prison of deception by God's good grace, should we then and go back and visit it? Is that not like a slap in the face of God for what He has delivered us from?
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Yep
Mike Gagne:
Amen Kat... :)
lareli:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 29, 2014, 08:21:38 PM ---
Hi largeli,
Yes we all have come from the church, we need to have gone through it in order to really know it. But once we are released from that prison of deception by God's good grace, should we then and go back and visit it? Is that not like a slap in the face of God for what He has delivered us from?
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Thanks for the reply Kat,
Actually if I were released from a prison I would certainly hope I would go back and visit those still stuck in the prison. Absolutely. If someone (God in this case) paid for me to get out of prison I would not see it as a slap in that persons (again, Gods) face if I were to go back and visit those who are not yet free... but whom I know someday will be free and will be my brothers and sisters...
If I were the one who freed someone from prison I would not see it as a slap in my face if that someone went back to show love to those still serving their sentences. On the contrary I would interpret their act of love and empathy as appreciation and gratitude for the freedom I provided.
Kat:
largeli, I think you are ignoring what is trying to be shown here. It is not that I/we are against the people still in church, we all have family and/or friends there. They are deceived just as we once were and I'm sure some of us are still friends and visit with some we knew from church... we can do that in numerous ways without having to go to church.
What I/we are trying to get across is that the institution - Christendom where they teach heresy and blasphemy God in some or usually many ways every time they meet, now that is a very different story. You seem very defensive about the church, yet Christ spoke out strongly against the scribes and Pharisees (His era, while on earth church leaders). You may defend the church all you like, but it does not change what it is, Mystery Babylon the Great!
Mat 23:13 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door to the kingdom from heaven in people's faces. You don't go in yourselves, and you don't allow those who are trying to enter to go in.
v. 14 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and say long prayers to cover it up. Therefore, you will receive greater condemnation!
v. 15 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make a single convert, and when this happens you make him twice as fit for hell (gehenna - judgment) as you are. (ISV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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