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cheekie3:
largeli -
Unless The Lord opens up their understanding - the likely outcome of you going back to your church is that they will hate you and persecute you - unless you keep quiet about the Truths of God imparted to you heart and mind by The Spirit of God.
George.
loretta:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 22, 2014, 09:41:06 AM ---Sounds like your congregation is right for you and know this, God has you where you need to be at this point in time.
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Craig's post got me thinking about free will. My brother started out a believer in his early twenties, fell in love and married a RC, married in the RC tradition, albeit toting a black bound bible under his hand. He went on to baptize his kids, first communion, confirmation et al and is now firmly entrenched in the establishment/world, completely blinded to any spiritual truth.
So yes, God has us where He wants us to be - no free will there - but we are caused to make choices and we're held accountable for them.
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 19, 2014, 11:48:33 PM ---It won't be easy, but you will learn great lessons along the way and the family will draw closer together as you worship in your home. Remember to keep it simple and friendly and fun. God's son Jesus is a fun fellow and very patient with the "little children' including all of us on the forum.
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Indianabob's post brought back a rush of memories - all that I yearned to do and ended up doing much much more. I bought an array of bibles for my daughter - kids, adolescents, youth, girls; Christian books, videos, even music - hoping they would bop to Jesus Christ Superhero, Sunday school style :) Till she rebelled. Even our prayer and worship time was forced, more of an exercise - we didn't know how to pray at the time! Now we don't do much of anything, but in the course of just living out our days, I take every opportunity to teach them the Word. Sometimes I use words. What I think I am teaching them the most is that I am fallen, a sinner, so degenerate, that without the grace of God I cannot be saved. While I attended church I couldn't teach them thus, as I was constantly pretending to be a 'saved Christian' on my best behavior, wearing a happy, going-to- heaven mask. Was that difficult! Now here at the epi-sunagoge, or upperoom, I am free to be me, allowing Christ to work his wondrous way in me.
robby.morales:
BT Family:
Thank you all for the encouragement. Last Sunday my family and I gathered for an extending devotion. We studied Agape and Philos by listening to Ray's teaching on Why God Loves Us. Everyone remarked how much they enjoyed studying the scriptures together at home and for once we got to eat lunch at a decent hour!. :-) This week we will be looking at the Foundational Truths teaching. Ray will be our guest again via audio. :-)
I can't thank you all enough for the admonition and warnings. My wife and I are still wrestling with how we respond to all our friends at church. And because I was the worship pastor there for 4 years and had attended for many years before that, I have a lot of friends. But God's grace is greater. We are content to allow the Lord to lead and guide us and not lose heart in the struggle.
On a side note, here are some of the questions I am currently cueing up:
1. eSword: does it have all the resources that Ray cites in his studies?
2. Does anyone have notes from live teaching he gave, especially the ones from the creation conference he gave in Nashville? The transcripts are helpful but the subject matter is so complex I can't completely follow without notes.
Thanks again for everyones responses to this post.
Blessings!
Robby
Dave in Tenn:
Robby, there was a 'hand-out' at the Nashville conference, but it wasn't so much 'notes' on the conference as some notes concerning geology and what not. Other than that, you pretty much have access to what we who were there did. Dennis may have more info on that.
Esword can be used to pull up numerous translations. It can also be used with Bible Dictionaries, English dictionaries, and (perhaps the most useful to me) an exhaustive concordance of the KJV where you can do 'word-studies' from the original languages, see every passage where it was used, etc. You can also download maps, histories, and other bible-study resources, including commentaries....though I would stay away from the latter until you are well-grounded.
I'm really happy for your report.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 01, 2014, 04:10:14 PM ---
largeli, I think you are ignoring what is trying to be shown here. It is not that I/we are against the people still in church, we all have family and/or friends there. They are deceived just as we once were and I'm sure some of us are still friends and visit with some we knew from church... we can do that in numerous ways without having to go to church.
What I/we are trying to get across is that the institution - Christendom where they teach heresy and blasphemy God in some or usually many ways every time they meet, now that is a very different story. You seem very defensive about the church, yet Christ spoke out strongly against the scribes and Pharisees (His era, while on earth church leaders). You may defend the church all you like, but it does not change what it is, Mystery Babylon the Great!
Mat 23:13 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door to the kingdom from heaven in people's faces. You don't go in yourselves, and you don't allow those who are trying to enter to go in.
v. 14 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and say long prayers to cover it up. Therefore, you will receive greater condemnation!
v. 15 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make a single convert, and when this happens you make him twice as fit for hell (gehenna - judgment) as you are. (ISV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Sorry Kat. I don't mean to ignore what you're saying. I think I understand but the problem I'm having is that I don't see how the blasphemy of the church is any worse than say the blasphemy of nationalism for example. Saying 'God bless America' and then rallying for the slaughter of other people is blasphemy no?
I know there's some who claim to have 'come out of her' because they reject church doctrine and don't go to church. But then fail to come out of all the other lies that they live under.
Like I pointed out in some of rays emails and teachings on another thread, Ray showed that you can't be an ambassador for Christ and also adhere to the beliefs of nationalism or vote or support the troops in killing and slaughtering.
It's not so much that I disagree with what you say about the church but I do believe mystery babylon is every false and evil belief. I do believe that mystery babylon is the church but not JUST the church and to 'come out of her' physically would mean removing yourself from the world altogether and not just a church building. We can't physically do that. I think coming out of her means to not be of the world while being in the world.
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