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Dave in Tenn:
I'm talking about worldly issues here. Pick a topic. Pick an issue.
It simply means that two people are going to see the same thing two different ways. Any topic. Any issue. One may think his 'conclusion' is rational and the other person is deceived. The other may think the same thing..and that is the only thing they agree on--the other is deceived.
Any topic, any issue. Twenty people are going to see it twenty different ways--ten may agree with one broad conclusion and ten with another, but among each ten they will not agree 100%. Each one will have 'reason' to think as they do and therefor, think the other ten are 'deceived' and that maybe the other nine in their 'group' are just not as advanced as he/she is.
If I think the moon is made of cheese, then I must think so for a reason. To me, it makes perfect sense and every attempt to dissuade me or educate me will simply involve more and more people in the 'deception' brought by the anti-cheese-moonie folks.. Why, oh WHY can't these people see that the moon is made of cheese?
I'll go on record here with some degree of safety that I actually think the CHEESE-MOONIES are the ones 'deceived'. ;) But what good does that do them if they are already convinced and argument only makes them dig in their heels harder?
On Spiritual matters, Ray didn't 'win me over' with his mountains of evidence and scriptural proofs. I believed in a matter of minutes--after 40 years of questionings to the point (and past the point) of total despair. I didn't need the evidence and scriptural proofs until AFTER that, when that old baptist preacher that lives in my head started trying to shake this 'foolishness' out of me.
And--at it's best--that's one purpose the forum serves---pointing to the mountains and the Scripture. We're not here to 'convince' anybody of anything. Period.
Dave in Tenn:
side note: I may have accidentally deleted someone's post here. Sorry, if I did..
Kat:
Hi Dave, I agree with your analysis.
--- Quote ---On Spiritual matters, Ray didn't 'win me over' with his mountains of evidence and scriptural proofs. I believed in a matter of minutes--after 40 years of questionings to the point (and past the point) of total despair.
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And that's the way it happened for me too. I think it was all those years of questioning, that was a preparation so at a determined moment in our life when the Holy Spirit is put in our minds and then spiritual truth can be revealed and received/understood. Without the Holy Spirit we are just having a physical experience in many varying ways and degrees. In the church they really believe they are having a spiritual experience, but most of us know it's just more human reasoning made out to be faith.
So I'm thinking maybe "worldly deception" and the "reasonable conclusion" are kind of 2 sides have the same coin type thing, until real truth comes in play, then there is a whole new way of looking at everything.
Well that's just my take on this, interesting thought though.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 22, 2014, 08:23:07 PM ---side note: I may have accidentally deleted someone's post here. Sorry, if I did..
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LOL xD
Rhys 🕊:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 22, 2014, 08:23:07 PM ---side note: I may have accidentally deleted someone's post here. Sorry, if I did..
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Yet another excuse from the evil dictator mods ;D ;D ;D
Rhys :D :D :D
p.s. your not allowed to delete this post :P
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